Jury to decide fate of 1st SAFE act "victim"

[TheTman]

The first person arrested under the NY's SAFE act is waiting the verdict of the jury. He was arrested for selling an AR15 and some mags, to an undercover officer. This might be a good case to keep an eye on. He was arrested by state and federal agents with no local Law enforcement involved.
I'd like to see this on come back with a Jury Nullification. That would make some head spin.


http://bearingarms.com/jury-debates-...fe-act-victim/

[Longitude Zero]

I am NOT a fan of jury nullification at all. It is a slippery slope because TheTman I am sure there are laws that you would be outraged if the jury nullified on. I know of a case were a rapist convicted on DNA walked outta court because the jury felt the victim was dressed "too provocatively" and was "coming on" to the rapist In order to be consistent you cannot pick and choose which cases you like for nullification. IMHO you support them ALL or hate them ALL, no middle ground.

[89grand]

I am NOT a fan of jury nullification at all. It is a slippery slope because TheTman I am sure there are laws that you would be outraged if the jury nullified on. I know of a case were a rapist convicted on DNA walked outta court because the jury felt the victim was dressed "too provocatively" and was "coming on" to the rapist In order to be consistent you cannot pick and choose which cases you like for nullification. IMHO you support them ALL or hate them ALL, no middle ground.

The big difference is rape wasn't legal, and then over night on a whim...wasn't any more. If that were true, then it'd be like gun laws in NY.

[Ascham1]

As the liberals gain more power they will continue to take away rights as part of the misconception that it represents safety for all.

"Anyone that sacrifices freedom for a little safety deserve neither" B. Franklin.

[89grand]

As the liberals gain more power they will continue to take away rights as part of the misconception that it represents safety for all.

"Anyone that sacrifices freedom for a little safety deserve neither" B. Franklin.

Yeah, Libtards, and well politicians in general have never seized the opportunity after an event, whether real, or manufactured by the government, to actually make anyone more safe. They use fear to get support from the people to lose more rights for the governments own gain.

If their tactics worked, gun control, TSA, etc, we'd actually be a lot more safe considering how many restrictions they've put in place vs 30 years ago. We're not!

Tomorrow, another event can easily make people accept even more restrictions...the sheep never get it and never will until they're led to slaughter.

[TheTman]

I am NOT a fan of jury nullification at all. It is a slippery slope because TheTman I am sure there are laws that you would be outraged if the jury nullified on. I know of a case were a rapist convicted on DNA walked outta court because the jury felt the victim was dressed "too provocatively" and was "coming on" to the rapist In order to be consistent you cannot pick and choose which cases you like for nullification. IMHO you support them ALL or hate them ALL, no middle ground.

I don't understand your logic LZ, other than the part about I'd be outraged about some jury nullifications.


I look at it as a last chance for the people to speak out against unjust and unpopular laws that violate the will of the people. It was used frequently during prohibition, to not prosecute people of possession of alcohol. And before the civil war for violations of the Fugitive Slave Act, and various other times. I look at it as a last resort type of thing.


Take the case of the Kid that is being charged with a felony for having a pocket knife in his EMT vest in the school parking lot (which he says is there to cut through seat belts), which was found by a possible illegal search. If he can't plea bargain down to a misdemeanor, should that kids whole life be ruined over a pocket knife in his car? What about the other deadly weapons in most cars, jack handles, wrenches, some sports equipment (baseball bats, Hockey sticks), why are they permitted, but an useful tool for an EMT is considered grounds for a Class 5 felony. And now the Prosecutor is angry about all the email he's received regarding the case, and will probably go after the kid even more vigorously than before. If they end up charging the kid with a felony, then IMHO a Jury Nullification, or finding him not guilty is absolutely the right thing to do.


Of course I come from a world in which logic and justice, and doing the right thing, are more important to me, than following the exact letter of the law in some cases. Where the law(s) don't make sense, or were written to make some company or group of people happy, and are not the will of the people, but the will of the lawmakers and lobbyists. Like whether you have a 7 round or 15 round magazine, doesn't make much sense, doesn't seem to be the will of the people, yet was made a law in NY and similar things were made into laws in Colorado, causing some lawmakers to be recalled. The state wasn't acting on behalf of the people, they were acting on behalf of that idiot Mayor Bloomberg and his cronies.
Fortunately my state doesn't have very many of these BS laws.
Instead of a justice system, it's turned into a legal system, where legalities are more important than justice or common sense. Criminals with high dollar attorneys skate over some little legality, and good people go to jail over some technicality.

[muggsy]

The more I hear of these stories the more I think that the people should take up arms to restore their rights. Enough is enough. I for one will not allow this country to fall to the dictates of socialists.

[Armybrat]

Here's a different look at this story:

http://www.wgrz.com/story/news/crime...arges/5991449/

If that's true, I would be uneasy about him selling a gun to a guy who claimed to be a felon.

However, Wassell should've been a little smarter and figured that he was being set up. I seriously doubt any felon trying to buy a gun from a stranger is going to blab his criminal history while making a transaction.

On the other hand, the gubmint grandstanders picked the wrong guy to make an example.

I'd give him a pass.

What good will it do to lock him up - unless the authorities want to have another family dependent on the government.

Damned stupid law passed by a bunch of ignorant self-aggrandizing politicians. ("See, we care about the children - but never mind we are stealing the taxpayers blind")

[Longitude Zero]

I don't understand your logic LZ, other than the part about I'd be outraged about some jury nullifications.

Just be consistent. If you support jury nullification in one case you must as a matter of intellectual consistency favor them in ALL cases. I am merely saying that you cannot pick and choose your jury nullification. You are all in or all out. That is why I am against ALL jury nullifications.

[wyntrout]

Another example of "Zero Tolerance"... leaving no room for logic. The judge can impose his own ruling, too.

Wynn

[Longitude Zero]

It is NOT ABOUT LOGIC it is about did the prosecution prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. NOTHING MORE. When folks begin injecting attitudes beyond proof beyond a reasonable doubt you have corrupted the system and are doing more harm than good. It is just as simple as that. If you do not like or agree with the law don't nullify get off your lazy arse and work within the system to change the law. It CAN happen. Folks rose up and changed the marijuana laws in CO so don't waste my precious time and tell me it cannot be done. That is the excuse of the lazy.

[Armybrat]

Now now fellows, can't we all get along?

Think I'll have a *** of whiskey, three ounces with two ice cubes.

[Armybrat]

Speaking of nullification, it looks like my "n i p" got nullified. Is this a dry county here?

[Bawanna]

Glad you clarified that I was sitting here wonder what the word police nailed there. I surmise it wasn't a dry county situation but a PC correct favoritism for our enemies in WWII.

[b4uqzme]

where's that "things are looking up around here" picture when you need it?

You know the one I'm talking about...Jeepster?