18 Year Veteran Cop Killed with his own gun - Upstate NY

[downtownv]

The killing of police officers

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Does anyone remember Detective Melvin Santiago? He was a Jersey City police officer who was shot to death on July 13th. Santiago was white. His killer, Lawrence Campbell, was black. Does anyone recall Obama appearing before national television and calling for justice for Officer Santiago's family? Does anyone recall Eric Holder rushing to Jersey City to see that justice was done?

How about Officer Jeffrey Westerfield? He was a Gary, Indiana police officer who was shot to death on July 6, 2014. Officer Westerfield was white, his killer, Carl LeEllis Blount, Jr. was black. where was Obama? Where was Holder?

Officer Perry Renn was an Indianapolis, Indiana police officer who was shot to death July 5, 2014, the day before Officer Westerfield was killed. Officer Renn was white. His killer, Major Davis, was black. I don't recall any mention by Obama about the untimely death of Officer Renn. and, I doubt that Eric Holder rushed to Indianapolis to make sure justice was served.

Vermillion Parish Deputy Sheriff Allen Bares was gunned down by two men June 23, 2014 in Louisiana. Deputy Bares was white. His two killers, Quintlan Richard and Baylon Taylor were black. was Obama outraged? Did Eric Holder rush to Louisiana to make sure that the family of Deputy Bares found justice?

Detective Charles Dinwiddie of the Killeen, Texas Police Department was murdered on May 11, 2014 by Marvin Lewis Guy, a black male. Officer Dinwiddie was white. Do you recall seeing anything abouth that on the news? Certainly, the white citizens of Killeen didn't take to the streets to loot and burn businesses. Do you recall any mention of Obama or Holder here?

Then, there is Officer Kevin Jordan of Griffin, Georgia Police Department. He was gunned down on May 31, 2014. Officer Jordan was black, his killer, Michael Bowman was white. This was a white man murdering a black police officer. Where was Jesse Jackson? Where was "The Reverend" al Sharpton? Was there looting and burning on the streets of Griffin, Georgia? No, in fact, we don't recall hearing about this one in the news as well. Why? You can draw your own conclusions.

Over the past 60 days, there have been five reported deaths of police officers by gunshot in the U.S. Of those, four were white officers who were murdered by black men. Blacks complain that white officers treat black men more aggressively on the street. You can draw your own conclusions on that one, as well.

Killers come in all flavors, colors and nationalities

[tom.p]

My point was folks had hoses turned on them because of their color and what they stood for in Selma, etc. To say we should turn hoses on ANYONE is wrong in any sense.

Black people protesting for civil rights were not the only people who got the hoses in that era. It was a commonly used tactic to suppress protesters. You've never seen photos of the anti-Vietnam War protesters getting hosed?
It's flat-out wrong to suggest that any reference to turning a hose on protesters is a racial remark. Yes, it got used on black protesters (certainly in an inappropriate way in some cases during peaceful protests), but it got used on a lot of different protesters for a lot of reasons.

[swilcher7]

Black people protesting for civil rights were not the only people who got the hoses in that era. It was a commonly used tactic to suppress protesters. You've never seen photos of the anti-Vietnam War protesters getting hosed?
It's flat-out wrong to suggest that any reference to turning a hose on protesters is a racial remark. Yes, it got used on black protesters (certainly in an inappropriate way in some cases during peaceful protests), but it got used on a lot of different protesters for a lot of reasons.

I'll say it again, suggesting using a hose on ANYONE is wrong. Suggesting running people over is wrong. Destroying another's property because your pissed off is wrong. And the reference here about using the hose was towards the folks in Ferguson, not folks protesting Vietnam.

[getsome]

Looks like I picked a bad week to quit smoking crack......Can't we all just get along??????......

Just a couple of points and I'm outa here....What we have here is failure to communicate....I don't care if you're green and from Mars, if you disrespect the Police and try to harm an Officer just trying to do his or her job that makes you a THUG...

1. When the Police tell you to do something, DO IT period....If Michael Brown had of just moved over to the sidewalk like Officer Wilson asked him to he would be alive and well today...

2. If Eric Garner had of just put his hands behind his back like the officers told him to he would be alive and well....Mr. Garner had been arrested 30 times before for selling cigarettes so he should have known the drill...

On the flip side of this was a recording I heard made by a young black man who was being questioned by Police...It seems it was a very cold day and he had been walking up and down the street with his hands in his pockets in front of several stores which isn't a crime but the Police were called for a suspicious person in the area....Now the Officer had a ProCam and the man had a cell phone and they were recording each other...The black man was upset that the Police were called and all he was doing was walking up and down the street with his hands in his pockets waiting for a bus because he was cold....The officer apologized and explained that he had to investigate since a call was made...The black man calmed down and said that while it still pi$$ed him off that walking down the street while black ended up with the Police being called he understood that he cop had a job to do and they ended up telling each other to have a nice day...This is how it should end and I'm thinking the cameras helped in this situation...It wasn't right that some store owner got scared of a black man and felt he had to call the Police but that's what happened...Doesn't make it right and I totally understand why he was upset....Being alive and a young black man doesn't make you a criminal and that kind of thinking needs to change....

I hope we as members of the BEST gun forum anywhere can simmer down, take a deep breath and continue on with utmost respect for each other and quit all this bickering and cut out all the racist remarks going back and forth and get back to where we should be.....We're better than that here folks!!!!

[swilcher7]

The killing of police officers

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Does anyone remember Detective Melvin Santiago? He was a Jersey City police officer who was shot to death on July 13th. Santiago was white. His killer, Lawrence Campbell, was black. Does anyone recall Obama appearing before national television and calling for justice for Officer Santiago's family? Does anyone recall Eric Holder rushing to Jersey City to see that justice was done?


How about Officer Jeffrey Westerfield? He was a Gary, Indiana police officer who was shot to death on July 6, 2014. Officer Westerfield was white, his killer, Carl LeEllis Blount, Jr. was black. where was Obama? Where was Holder?

Officer Perry Renn was an Indianapolis, Indiana police officer who was shot to death July 5, 2014, the day before Officer Westerfield was killed. Officer Renn was white. His killer, Major Davis, was black. I don't recall any mention by Obama about the untimely death of Officer Renn. and, I doubt that Eric Holder rushed to Indianapolis to make sure justice was served.

Vermillion Parish Deputy Sheriff Allen Bares was gunned down by two men June 23, 2014 in Louisiana. Deputy Bares was white. His two killers, Quintlan Richard and Baylon Taylor were black. was Obama outraged? Did Eric Holder rush to Louisiana to make sure that the family of Deputy Bares found justice?

Detective Charles Dinwiddie of the Killeen, Texas Police Department was murdered on May 11, 2014 by Marvin Lewis Guy, a black male. Officer Dinwiddie was white. Do you recall seeing anything abouth that on the news? Certainly, the white citizens of Killeen didn't take to the streets to loot and burn businesses. Do you recall any mention of Obama or Holder here?

Then, there is Officer Kevin Jordan of Griffin, Georgia Police Department. He was gunned down on May 31, 2014. Officer Jordan was black, his killer, Michael Bowman was white. This was a white man murdering a black police officer. Where was Jesse Jackson? Where was "The Reverend" al Sharpton? Was there looting and burning on the streets of Griffin, Georgia? No, in fact, we don't recall hearing about this one in the news as well. Why? You can draw your own conclusions.

Over the past 60 days, there have been five reported deaths of police officers by gunshot in the U.S. Of those, four were white officers who were murdered by black men. Blacks complain that white officers treat black men more aggressively on the street. You can draw your own conclusions on that one, as well.

Killers come in all flavors, colors and nationalities

You are absolutely right. Bad is bad color doesn't matter. We have lost a great deal of brothers and sisters in blue lately. I get email alerts from Police One when an officer goes down. Seems lately I have been getting one every other day....Not just from shootings, accidents, heart attacks, etc...Sad...

[berettabone]

Looks like I picked a bad week to quit smoking crack......Can't we all just get along??????......

Just a couple of points and I'm outa here....What we have here is failure to communicate....I don't care if you're green and from Mars, if you disrespect the Police and try to harm an Officer just trying to do his or her job that makes you a THUG...

1. When the Police tell you to do something, DO IT period....If Michael Brown had of just moved over to the sidewalk like Officer Wilson asked him to he would be alive and well today...

2. If Eric Garner had of just put his hands behind his back like the officers told him to he would be alive and well....Mr. Garner had been arrested 30 times before for selling cigarettes so he should have known the drill...

On the flip side of this was a recording I heard made by a young black man who was being questioned by Police...It seems it was a very cold day and he had been walking up and down the street with his hands in his pockets in front of several stores which isn't a crime but the Police were called for a suspicious person in the area....Now the Officer had a ProCam and the man had a cell phone and they were recording each other...The black man was upset that the Police were called and all he was doing was walking up and down the street with his hands in his pockets waiting for a bus because he was cold....The officer apologized and explained that he had to investigate since a call was made...The black man calmed down and said that while it still pi$$ed him off that walking down the street while black ended up with the Police being called he understood that he cop had a job to do and they ended up telling each other to have a nice day...This is how it should end and I'm thinking the cameras helped in this situation...It wasn't right that some store owner got scared of a black man and felt he had to call the Police but that's what happened...Doesn't make it right and I totally understand why he was upset....Being alive and a young black man doesn't make you a criminal and that kind of thinking needs to change....

I hope we as members of the BEST gun forum anywhere can simmer down, take a deep breath and continue on with utmost respect for each other and quit all this bickering and cut out all the racist remarks going back and forth and get back to where we should be.....We're better than that here folks!!!!

There is only one person getting upset.............the rest of us, it's business as usual

[Bawanna]

I think this is a happy place to put a book end.

Lets call it a wrap. And Getsome, good luck with that crack addiction.