Conspiracy theory confirmed

[knkali]

they want the public to pay and/or guarantee coverage against losses.....

THAT is the root of it right there.

[ScottM]

THAT is the root of it right there.

Ditto. Try getting tax increases through a GOP-led congress now to pay for that. You'd have to hide it for even the most remote of chances, and that just with one or a few plants. You'd need hundreds to make a difference. I can hear the "government bailout" cat-calls from both isles already.

I personally really really really wanted nuclear, but Fukashima freaked me out again. Tesco so totally screwed the pooch and wiped out a big area of that island with fallout. It's still not under control! You may ask who the hell designs a nuke plant on the beach, but you wouldn't like the answer - it was GE partnering with Toshiba and Hitachi in the 60s and 70s. Plant designs have vastly improved since then but that's part of the problem - you only know their weaknesses decades after they're designed, after billions are spent.

[muggsy]

modern man has been on this planet for approx. 200000 years and civilization as we know of it approx. 6000 years. To say that we are not in trouble based on the approx. 45 years that you cited above as the qualifier from when the scientific community earnestly started to say we are seem cavalier? Could it be that we are in trouble but not enough time has gone by until the average Joe is impacted enough to realize it? While I do not hold GW as an absolute, I do believe that we are a species, like many before us, who are at the risk of over utilizing their natural resources and thereby go extinct. Laws of nature seem to be absolute in this regard--no?

So why should we be any different than the other species that have gone extinct? Eventually the earth will burn to a cinder as the sun runs out of fuel. Me, I only have to worry about the next twenty years if I'm lucky. Every mother's son is destine to die.

[ScottM]

So why should we be any different than the other species that have gone extinct? Eventually the earth will burn to a cinder as the sun runs out of fuel. Me, I only have to worry about the next twenty years if I'm lucky. Every mother's son is destine to die.

No kids, grandkids, nephews or nieces?

[berettabone]

modern man has been on this planet for approx. 200000 years and civilization as we know of it approx. 6000 years. To say that we are not in trouble based on the approx. 45 years that you cited above as the qualifier from when the scientific community earnestly started to say we are seem cavalier? Could it be that we are in trouble but not enough time has gone by until the average Joe is impacted enough to realize it? While I do not hold GW as an absolute, I do believe that we are a species, like many before us, who are at the risk of over utilizing their natural resources and thereby go extinct. Laws of nature seem to be absolute in this regard--no?

Actually, they/scientists are finding proof every day, that civilization has been around for at the least 14,000 to 20,000 years..........and would not be surprised to eventually discover, that we've been around for a lot longer.

[ScottM]

Actually, they/scientists are finding proof every day, that civilization has been around for at the least 14,000 to 20,000 years..........and would not be surprised to eventually discover, that we've been around for a lot longer.

I took two Art in Anthropology classes under Dr. Patricia Rice in college and you're right about that number. There's abundant evidence of social structures, artistic expression, communication, training and religious ritual.

Nothing indicating heavy carbon fuel use though.

[yqtszhj]

There has been climate change since the beginning of time. I guess the earlier radical changes were because of cave men using fossil fuels

I like that answer but I have a better one. Climate change was caused by dinosaur flatulence. That's why it was warmer. The dinosaurs died off and and everything cooled down. Now we have cows and it's back again.

Climate change has been happening forever. Are we affecting it some? Probably. Would it happen anyway? Probably. But im tired of people telling me what to do about it. When the elite blowhards including algore are ready to give up all their stuff and go live in a shack in the woods with no heat, AC, or power then they can tell me what to do. I'm ready to go there but I would say most of the loudmouths are not. And that especially includes everyone at the UN.

[muggsy]

No kids, grandkids, nephews or nieces?

Two grandchildren and a handful of nephews and nieces. All of them have it much better than I did as a kid. I don't hold that against them. I'm happy for them. And they are all intelligent enough to fend for themselves without the "help" of the government.

[muggsy]

I took two Art in Anthropology classes under Dr. Patricia Rice in college and you're right about that number. There's abundant evidence of social structures, artistic expression, communication, training and religious ritual.

Nothing indicating heavy carbon fuel use though.

They must have migrated south for the winter. There was also a heavy dependence on fur back then, but you mustn't offend the animal rights people today.

[muggsy]

Some of the most highly educated people in the world are dysfunctional morons. Some can't tell an Islamic terrorist when they see one and think that holding a job fair will stop the massacre of innocents. They think that global climate change is a bigger threat to mankind than jehad.

[ScottM]

They must have migrated south for the winter. There was also a heavy dependence on fur back then, but you mustn't offend the animal rights people today.

Funny, I just had this vision of cave people in plaid-lined furs riding golf carts in Florida. [emoji3]

[ScottM]

Some of the most highly educated people in the world are dysfunctional morons. Some can't tell an Islamic terrorist when they see one and think that holding a job fair will stop the massacre of innocents. They think that global climate change is a bigger threat to mankind than jehad.

And some of them really know what they're talking about and should be listened to. This is just as is true with the least educated, having its share of both arrogantly-ignorant xenophobes and wise souls alike. That may not make either side feel as righteous, but it's the warm truth.

[SlowBurn]

Actually several climatologists and environmentalists ARE pushing for nuclear. Take James Lovelock - he's the one who came up with the "Gaia" concept of the earth being an integrated life system after working for NASA in the 60s. He believes that Nuclear energy is an inevitable part of the environment, though he has also expressed concerns about man's ability to safely manage the level of nuclear infrastructure required to make enough of a difference. Well-known meltdowns at Fukashima, Chernobyl and Three Mile Island didn't help. Plus, reactors are exceedingly expensive and few companies, not even Haliburton or GE are willing to fund them themselves - they want the public to pay and/or guarantee coverage against losses, which tells you something important about the business model of Nuclear power - it's not the holy grail we wish it to be, even when you set aside the serious issues of waste management, security and operational risk.

Those people are rare exceptions among global warmists/environmental activists. Its their activism, making it politically impossible to build nuclear, which makes it expensive. Warmists claiming nuclear is too expensive are like Lizzie Borden killing her parents and asking for mercy because she's an orphan.

[muggsy]

If some of these highly educated know what they are talking about, particularly those in the Obama administration or those in Congress who have an D after their names, I've seen very little evidence of it.

[Ron AZ]

The science that I have heard and believe is … there exists no statistical correlation between levels of CO2 and the earth's temperature. It is all based on theory and modeling in which there are fudge factors, and the
climate change advocates input the fudge factors to get the outcome they believe/want. (Even rig the data when the real results don't support it.)

There is a strong statistical correlation between solar activity/storms/flares and the earth's temperature. Mankind is not in control of that.

None of this is to say that we should not conserve, use our resources wisely, and explore PRACTICAL alternatives. But none of that is the climate change lobbies real agenda.