Another reason why we NEED the Keystone XL Pipeline

[getsome]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/18...been-upgraded/

I guess the crude spilled into the West Virginia river and water supply doesn't matter if it was a rail accident....Sad that our President does not seem to care or understand the real situation and realize the XL Pipeline will be the safest, most green way to transport crude oil from North Dakota....Wonder what the tree huggers think about the pipeline now...

[Bawanna]

435,000 car loads of oil in 2013 and 3 of them left the track. Even if you include the 28 cars from this event, that's still only 31 cars out of 435,100. Don't look pandemic to me.

[Esco]

435,000 car loads of oil in 2013 and 3 of them left the track. Even if you include the 28 cars from this event, that's still only 31 cars out of 435,100. Don't look pandemic to me.

based on those numbers that's not a significant spill, but I agree with the OP a pipeline would be a safer alternative to rail travel.
but if the Keystone XL pipeline should be or will be built is a whole other debate

personally I think it should be because I could use the work

[knkali]

wonder what the cost is the move oil train vs pipe and where the break even point is ect. Factor in jobs ect....my hunch is pipe wins.

[Nytcrawler93]

The better alternative is to keep investing in green energy. We do not benefit from Keystone, Canada does.


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[deadeye]

I agree. A few more billion dollars invested in companies like Solyndra and a whole bunch into Cheebie Volts can't help but be good. Has anyone stopped to wonder what it is going to cost to maintain those wind generators when they start getting old. Hey, what difference does it make as long as the taxpayer is footing the bill. Right?

[ScottM]

Keystone won't make a diff to the U.S. I don't honestly care if it's built or not - the risks are no greater than rail transport. Canada benefits the most though, and we pick up the risk. It's all political at this point.

The Volt is ridiculously overpriced, even by electric car standards. Both India and China are working on electric cars that will be 1/3 the cost, so don't write off electrics just yet. The Prius still sells well and damn, who wouldn't want a Tesla S in their garage? Several big motorcycle companies are making nice electrical bikes now. Short range, but amazing torque numbers from hell.

Solyndra was a very bad investment and both India and (especially China) are already ahead of us with photovoltaic cell production. Failures happen in venture capitalism every day. Heck, look at all of the military projects we spent orders of magnitude more on and later cancelled (RAH-66 Comanche anyone?). No risk, no gain.

I'm not aware of the maintenance details of those wind generators, are you? Aren't all of them owned privately, receiving only federal tax credit for their construction?

[deadeye]

The pipeline will create a lot of jobs for American workers and work toward making us independent of Arab oil. I would rather buy oil from a friend than Isis.
We know about Indian and Chinese cars and other engineering feats they have accomplished.
Bikes are a cool idea. However all the torque in the world won't help if you can't go very far. Batteries are heavy and one big enough to make a cycle get any miles will take a trailer to carry them. Don't think Peter Fonda will by one.
Yes Solyndra was a very bad investment among others. Problem is they spent my tax money padding a few friends pockets. Not private money.
As far as the windmills. Yes they are private, paid for with tax payers money. When they start breaking down and it is found out what it will cost to maintain them, will you bet who pays for it before America goes dark? We will have to. I can hear it now. "MOMS CANT PRODUCE MILK FOR THEIR WEE ONES IN THE DARK!!!"
I am not against renewable energy. Biggest trouble is, you cannot legislate technology. It just isn't there yet and it will come to a screeching halt if the taxpayers quit paying for it. I can not believe shutting down our coal and nuke plants costing thousands of jobs ahead of having the necessary technology to completely replace them is such a good idea.
P.S. I think for now I will keep my Harley. (Small battery.)

[Longitude Zero]

Build it!!!!

[ScottM]

Hey deadeye, no argument from me about Solyndra. Someone didn't do good due diligence before that deal and/or didn't appropriately oversee the invested stake.

Chinese steel isn't very good or consistent, for now... Didn't we once assume Japanese cars were inferior to Detroit's goods? Check out Detroipia (movie) sometime - lots of blame for their urban decay to go around, including the unions, auto companies and successful foreign competition.

Harley's Livewire got a ton of attention at the Cleveland expo 2 weeks ago but like you said - not enough range to offset the cost yet. I'll let the early adopters have their fun first. Zero's SR with extra lithium goes an impressive 180 miles between charges, but damn, $15k is too much for a day tripper. I go 350+ miles/day when moto-camping, so I doubt we'll ever see an electric touring bike. But I'll gladly pop $5k for an electric city commuter once they get that cheap.

I'm a fan of energy diversity. We're going to need oil, coal and clean natural gas for a while. But it's bull to give those industries trillions in tax incentives while ignoring the long game in renewables. America's technological and infrastructural superiority depends on continual innovation and investment.

As for XL, most of those jobs will be temporary for construction. I've also read that the Canadian oil won't end up here. It's to connect with shipping ports in the gulf for export.

[deadeye]

I sure do agree we need to pursue renewable energy. No doubt about it. My biggest concern is when the Republicrats get involved money flows like wine and is rarely accounted for and the cart seems tends to get ahead of the horse. Meanwhile our taxes go up, up, up. When private industry decides there is money to be made is when it will happen. (The gov doesn't need to show profit to shareholders.) Nice and easy does it.

[ScottM]

Agreed.

The American public can't afford to privatize the profits while socializing risks, damages and losses, which is what politics tends to do when key players with money are those who have most to gain with that particular maneuver. And they exist on both isles.

[getsome]

ScottM for once we tend to agree....Politics and the "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" mentality is the reason Obummer is against the pipeline....As always follow the money to discover the truth and this time it leads back to Barry's old friend and financial backer Warren Buffett and his railroad interests who stand to profit greatly from the slow and unsafe rail transport of North Dakota crude....

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/01/2...n-keystone-xl/

Once again Hussein Obama shows his true anti American face to support his friends rather than do what is good for the Country...

[Nytcrawler93]

I don't understand why we would build a pipeline so Canada can send it overseas. I am for smart diversification of energy.


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[ScottM]

I don't understand why we would build a pipeline so Canada can send it overseas. I am for smart diversification of energy.

We'd better get some damned Canadian bacon out of the deal.