Baltimore has gone Ferguson

[Bawanna]

Not to worry folks, Hitlery wants to mandate that every cop in the country wear a body camera. Probably tie their strong hand behind their back.

Probably hire all these pathetic losers to review the tapes and see if the officers behave badly.

Maybe Jesse and Al can head up the film review board, seems fair.

Wonder if her and free Willy have stock in the body camera business.

[marcinstl]

"Black Lives Matter", a somewhat popular sign held up by protestors. after the riots and looting, after the big names have spoken at the protests, when it's all said and done, maybe the black community will realize that black lives do matter and they (the rank and file, woeful, black folks) will start to do something about it. from all the shootings around here, there's a clear message- don't worry about cops or the "justice system", just be worried about other black folks.

[JohnR]

As long as certain people collectivize themselves, and demand collectivist solutions, they will fail. Behavior and attitude are individual choices, not predetermined by genetics.

[jocko]

Suffice to say, the local Barnes & Noble Bookstore is probably the safest place in Baltimore.

that and also any store that sells WORK BOOTS... Jusat sayin

[jocko]

Baltimore city council member Carl Stokes is very upset that his fine citizen protesters are being called "Thugs" and thinks that is no different than calling them the N word so in the interest of good will I think we should think of some more PC names for them such as:

1. Mystery Shoppers
2. Non Union Liquor Transporters
3. Security System and Lock Testers
4. Automobile Recyclers
5. Fire Hose Cut Resistance Testers
6. Brick, Concrete and Street Debris Relocators
7. Glass De-installers
8. City Sanitation Worker Job Security Consultants

Since Obummer says that lack of jobs is the whole problem and why the Baltimore youth are so upset feel free to add your own new job title so they will feel all better about themselves and what they are doing....

I heard on TV today thast the black lady mayor told the Baltimore police chief tyo tell the stroops to STAND DOWN. and when someone in the dept was asked ab out that the answer waws ******* right she said tdhat.. Here is a city run b uy all democrats and they sure have done nuttin about the poverty level eithger. My question and I have yet to read it, is of the 6 cops thsat have been relieved of duty over this death, were their any black cops involved? With a force of 60% black cops I would have thought there would have been, but again maybe the media knows but doesn'
t want to say either. The one place in the riot area that nevber got touched was JOE'S WORK BOOK CENTER.

[DanTana]

This is a direct quote of the Mayor of Baltimore, she needs to be fired and prosecuted for the damage caused by the "protesters."

"I made it very clear that I work with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech," she said. "It’s a very delicate balancing act. Because while we tried to make sure that they were protected from the cars and other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate."

[SlowBurn]

..."We don't know the whole story", or an endless number of other excuses

We DON'T know the whole story re Freddie Grey.

We DO know the thugs who burned Ferguson didn't give a !@#$% what actually happened. The "whole story" turned out to be a completely justified use of force by a reasonable officer. The hands up myth was a lie. Those moron professional NFL players who dissed the police protecting them by running on the field with their hands up - did they apologize?

We DO know there is no widespread connection, pattern or police culture justifying the fear and hatred being stoked against the police. The haters will grab any incident involving use of force, which has to happen somehow somewhere if police are doing their jobs, and distort it to generate the hatred.

We DO know whatever happened here, the rioters and demagogues who incite them will lie. There's no need for us to give them any credibility, repeat their lies and perpetuate their myths, or otherwise assist their efforts to make thuggery fashionable hip, cool etc.

Another prisoner swears Grey was deliberately trying to injure himself in the van. If that's the case, will the haters stop, change course, apologize? Will you? Or will a truthful report just spur more riots? And why do you think they're afraid to release the witness's name?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...18e_story.html

[b4uqzme]

"BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post." (from the linked article)

^^^ That certainly could be a stretch too and just another example of what we do not (or probably will never) know. But the damage caused by the rioters is very real and irreversible ---- all based on reactions to what we really don't know.

And that the media is again stoking the fire is reckless. They are selling our safety for a few ratings points. fokk'em!

[OldFatGuy]

We DON'T know the whole story re Freddie Grey.

We DO know the thugs who burned Ferguson didn't give a !@#$% what actually happened. The "whole story" turned out to be a completely justified use of force by a reasonable officer. The hands up myth was a lie. Those moron professional NFL players who dissed the police protecting them by running on the field with their hands up - did they apologize?

We DO know there is no widespread connection, pattern or police culture justifying the fear and hatred being stoked against the police. The haters will grab any incident involving use of force, which has to happen somehow somewhere if police are doing their jobs, and distort it to generate the hatred.

We DO know whatever happened here, the rioters and demagogues who incite them will lie. There's no need for us to give them any credibility, repeat their lies and perpetuate their myths, or otherwise assist their efforts to make thuggery fashionable hip, cool etc.

Another prisoner swears Grey was deliberately trying to injure himself in the van. If that's the case, will the haters stop, change course, apologize? Will you? Or will a truthful report just spur more riots? And why do you think they're afraid to release the witness's name?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...18e_story.html

you took my statement completely out of context, so nevermind.

[marcinstl]

meanwhile, back in Ferguson-----
FERGUSON •Three people were shot, a gas station was looted, 100 shots were fired, a portable restroom and trashcans were set on fire and several police vehicles were vandalized during violence that erupted here Tuesday night, according to Acting Ferguson Police Chief Al Eickhoff.
Two of the shooting victims were shot in the neck, and one was shot in the leg, Eickhoff said, but none of the injuries appeared to be life-threatening. A 20-year-old St. Louis County man was arrested for one of the shootings.
Police made at least five arrests for charges including burglary and flourishing a weapon. Most of the arrests stemmed from the looting of a gas station in Dellwood. Police arrested one man for firing a gun from a vehicle, Eickhoff said."

it seems like the death by cop is a tipping point for the black community, an excuse for some to go crazy and be robbin, stealin, burnin, shootin, and probably getting more girls knocked up-- adventures in urban living? why is that they have parades and protests for some black that got into it with the cops, but when a black shoots another black, that's just almost unnoticed, business as usual? where's Al and Jesse for that? where's the media for that? "Black lives matter" is just some crack fantasy?
to easy for old white guys to just sit back and say, "thinning of the heard" or some other Darwin reference, followed by laughter.

[JohnR]

"BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post." (from the linked article)

^^^ That certainly could be a stretch too and just another example of what we do not (or probably will never) know. But the damage caused by the rioters is very real and irreversible ---- all based on reactions to what we really don't know.

And that the media is again stoking the fire is reckless. They are selling our safety for a few ratings points. fokk'em!

What this spurs in my imagination is right out of a fiction novel, but my mind works that way sometimes. What if "someone" got hold of Mr. Gray and offered to pay large sums of money under the table to his wife/girlfriend/children/whatever if he "cooperated" in a false flag operation? "You know, you're doomed to a life in and out of prison, being raped by bubba in your cell, or killed by a rival drug dealer, so why not..." I ought to get my keyboard fired up and write a novel about that. Sounds like something Stephen Hunter would think of.

[SlowBurn]

I support law enforcement all I can, except when they do something stupid. Enough is enough. You've got 3,4,5 big cops on one guy, a 300 lb knee on the guys backbone is too much. I know it's stressful out there, and they are in danger all the time, but they need to be smart. And I think they are running on emotions and not smarts. JMO.

... "We don't know the whole story", or an endless number of other excuses.

We DON'T know the whole story re Freddie Grey.

We DO know the thugs who burned Ferguson didn't give a !@#$% what actually happened. The "whole story" turned out to be a completely justified use of force by a reasonable officer. The hands up myth was a lie. Those moron professional NFL players who dissed the police protecting them by running on the field with their hands up - did they apologize?

We DO know there is no widespread connection, pattern or police culture justifying the fear and hatred being stoked against the police. The haters will grab any incident involving use of force, which has to happen somehow somewhere if police are doing their jobs, and distort it to generate the hatred.

We DO know whatever happened here, the rioters and demagogues who incite them will lie. There's no need for us to give them any credibility, repeat their lies and perpetuate their myths, or otherwise assist their efforts to make thuggery fashionable hip, cool etc.

Another prisoner swears Grey was deliberately trying to injure himself in the van. If that's the case, will the haters stop, change course, apologize? Will you? Or will a truthful report just spur more riots? And why do you think they're afraid to release the witness's name?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...18e_story.html

you took my statement completely out of context, so nevermind.

Well, maybe. The subject of this thread is BALTIMORE GOES FERGUSON. I thought I was responding to the only part that seemed to me relevant to this subject; the accusation if we don't immediately condemn cops because we don't know the whole story we're just making excuses. I disagree. I don't think we can be confident what happened here, and whether 3-5 300 lb cops kneed Gray in the back. In fact I don't know where that version is coming from. There's at least some indication of a different version.

In responding I tried to take the focus back to the subject at hand; Baltimore as a repeat of Ferguson. Looking at the progression of posts above, I think it was fair but if I misunderstood, I apologize.

[az4783054]

News report from this afternoon said that the Baltimore prosecutor is investigating a report that the injuries to this "kid" were possibly self inflicted. No police involvement other than his arrest and transport.

Another prisoner in the same police van said that as soon as the PD put the "kid" into the van, he started throwing himself against the interior walls. It's a common practice for prisoners to hurt themselves, blame the police and seek civil suit. The van stopped when this occurred to secure the "kid".

If this is credible, where's the outrage Sharpton and Jackson?

[DanTana]

I don't see any correlation between Baltimore and Ferguson really except for the violence. Just using those issues to loot and rob and be animals. Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson was completely exonerated of any wrong doing and ruled a justifiable homicide. How is a justifiable homicide similar to this? Just because they are both black? They could do what the rest of us have done, go to school, get a job and make something of ourselves instead of stealing Swisher cigars or a known heroin dealer like Freddie Grey? There is a similarity for you, both were thugs and thieves and crooks. Not your boy scouts the media tries to make them out to be. Yes, it's unfortunate both are now dead, but they chose the life they led and paid the ultimate price for it.

[187911]

The excuses people will believe to let officers off the hook are astonishing. Now the guy severed his own spin huh? I don't know what really happened, but if the police did do something wrong, saying this guy deserved to have his rights violated because he's a criminal is just as stupid as saying a woman deserved to be raped just because she's drunk...