TPP-Trans Pacific Partnership. Secret trade bill, can't be good

[getsome]

This "Fast Track" trade bill kinda sounds like another recent wool pullin....Remember when Nancy Pisslosi said "We have to pass it to find out what's in it" Hummmmmmm, that one didn't work out quite like it was being sold, did it?....Any trade bill done up in a back room in total secrecy with very few having seen the full text of the draft can't be good....Every single line should be openly discussed and subject to public debate and oversight...There is no question that this ramrod Trans Pacific trade agreement will benefit few if any working Americans and will most likely lead to more outsourced jobs and shuttered domestic manufacturing plants here in the states.....

[JohnR]

One word: BOHICA.

[TheTman]

You might get to keep the bbq, I doubt if you get to keep the ammo or anything to shoot it with. Probably won't be much to bbq in a FEMA camp, if they let you live.
Here is one of the better articles on the TPP that I have come across: http://www.hagmannandhagmann.com/archives/1966

I think if "we" are going to right this ship, it's probably not going to be done through the voting booth. We keep voting in the same old corrupt congressmen, because we think it's not our congressmen that are corrupt, it's the ones from the other states. We need to vote out ALL incumbents. ALL of them are corrupt in one way or another. ALL of them are owned by some corporation or organization. Even if it means voting against the party you've voted for all your life. Hopefully the incumbent can be defeated in the primaries and you can still vote your preferred party.

The presidential candidates are selected for us. They make different promises and then break them once they win the election. Then the winner takes orders from the puppet masters that have been pulling the strings for I don't know how long. Point in case: Hillary had a pretty good head of steam built up and looked to be headed to win the nomination, then one of her top advisors got murdered as a warning to her, and she backed off and practically gave the nomination to Obama. If Hillary gets the nomination, you can count on massive election fraud to put her in office. Hopefully Bernie Sanders will run as an independent and split the Democratic vote enough that the voter fraud won't be enough for her to win. For whatever that is worth, depending on who the Republican nominee is. But even if we do get a Republican in office, will he do the people's building, or be another puppet?

I found another article that sheds a little more light on this monstrosity: http://www.rosieontheright.com/the-t...ers-agreement/

[getsome]

I hate to break it to you Tman but Hill & Bill have already been selected to be the next administration by whoever or whatever is really running this country....I think that elections have been fixed for quite some time now and we are only going through the motions when we go to the polls because the outcome has already been determined....

HillBillary will be the perfect fit for the shadow corporate government that is really in control of America and the sheeple....While Hillbabes was Secretary of State the Swedish giant global corporatioin Erickson wanted to sell some equipment to Iran which was on the no go list and with a simple extremely large charitable donation to the Clinton Foundation it was magically determined that the equipment was suddenly ok and the deal was approved by the State Department....Imagaine that....What better administration could the corporate gangsters want in office....It's perfect...

[Bawanna]

While this makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth, I firmly believe it's true. Extremely sad and dissapointing but true.

I'm not a smart man but I also believe the IQ of the average american voter isn't helping anything either.

In real life I know a lady wouldn't vote for Bush cause his eyes are too close together.

The presidential election is an excellent political grand stand for candidates to make their name or endorse their beliefs or ideals, many knowing from the start they have no chance whatsoever of winning.
Just muddies the waters for real candidates, haven't seen any yet but still have hope.

I don't think the polls alone is gonna get it done.

[TheTman]

I think that depends on how popular Hillary is in the primaries. She has a lot of hard core backers, but plenty of democrats are tired of her crap. The shadow govt. has to keep up the illusion that we are actually accomplishing something by voting to keep the peasants happy. And with Obama be so unpopular, it would be strange that another Democrat would be voted in to follow him. I would think they'd pick a like minded Republican, I thought it might have been Jeb Bush at one point, but no so sure who it might be now. And this is assuming that Obama actually does leave office. A lot could happen in the next year and a half. We could get nuked or EMP'd or something. A civil war or race war could erupt. Hillary could be convicted for using that email server. (fat chance, but it COULD happen) It's still too early to really tell in my opinion. You could be right though. Who knows? Henry Kissinger could probably tell us.

[JohnR]

It doesn't matter who's elected, the shadow government will do whatever it wants anyway, as long as they can get away with it, and they will figure out a way. Speaking of which, the Bilderbergs are meeting next week.

This thread reminds me of the blind men standing around an elephant, touching whatever's nearest. Each one has a totally different concept of what the animal is. I guess a psychologist would have a field day analyzing each of us based on who we think is really running the world!

[TheTman]

The small print says William Blum Former US State Department Employee.

Some of the stories I've heard are pretty horrible. I hate to imagine what actually might be going on in some of those secret labs.

[muggsy]

What, me worry? Why is it that most people fear things that they don't understand? Since no one really knows what's in the bill, why all the panic? I'm hearing that the bill was designed to level the playing field on foreign trade and that it was designed to protect IP (intellectual property) Our intellectual property. Since I don't know exactly what's in the bill, I'll reserve comment. I'll will only say that not everything done behind closed doors is done to harm us. I have all of the confidence in the world that if it's a bad bill that it will be defeated.

https://ustr.gov/tpp

[JohnR]

What, me worry? Why is it that most people fear things that they don't understand? Since no one really knows what's in the bill, why all the panic? I'm hearing that the bill was designed to level the playing field on foreign trade and that it was designed to protect IP (intellectual property) Our intellectual property. Since I don't know exactly what's in the bill, I'll reserve comment. I'll will only say that not everything done behind closed doors is done to harm us. I have all of the confidence in the world that if it's a bad bill that it will be defeated.

https://ustr.gov/tpp

When did they legalize pot in Ohio?

[TheTman]

Nuggs, if there was anything good for the public in it, why would it be kept so secret? If it was good for the public it would be out there for us to see and they would be telling us all the good points of the treaty. No this is strictly to benefit corporations and the Elite. One thing it does is extend the life of medicine patents, so generics will take longer to hit the shelf. A friend of mine just got some new medicine for a very serious condition, and the stuff costs $1000 per day, and he has to take it for 30 days. I wonder if Obamacare would have allowed that, or since he is over 60, told him that his life isn't worth saving. Medicare sure wouldn't pay for any of it. He was lucky that he qualified for some program to get it at a HUGE discount.
I see you get your information from a government website of course they are going to say how wonderful it is. I notice it didn't mention any of the gun control measures that are thought to be buried in the bill. Your link to the govt. website is the only thing I've run across that has anything positive to say about the treaty. I don't think anyone is "panicked" about it, concerned would be a better term. Some things done is secret have helped us, like the Manhattan Project. But we are not at war with any of the countries in the agreement, so why all the secrecy? And why the push to "fast track" it, where there will be no debate over it, no chance to amend it, just a yes or no vote. Is that how you think our govt. should operate? I'd like to know what ever happened to this being the most transparent administration ever, with all bills put out on the Internet for two weeks prior to them being voted on for public review. Instead we get laws crammed down our throats with no one even knowing what's in them.

JohnR. I think that the average citizens are today's Indians. And FEMA camps will be our Reservations.

[getsome]

I look at it this way, if Obummer is so much for the fast track shove it through without anyone knowing what it's all about deal then it must be a terrible thing for America since his only ambition seems to be to destroy what little is left of our economy before he FINALLY leaves office!!!....Look for more of the same in the coming months with half of the Republicans running for President and throwing muck and mud at each other it will give Hussein more room to play his little "I Hate America" games and finish the job of bringing this country to it's financial knees and into par with the other 3rd world Muslim countries he loves so much....

[JohnR]

gun control measures that are thought to be buried in the bill

Wait, what???

[Armybrat]

You might get to keep the bbq, I doubt if you get to keep the ammo or anything to shoot it with. Probably won't be much to bbq in a FEMA camp, if they let you live.

Speakin' of BBQ, check out this $12 beef short rib (weighed in at 20 ounces) - smoked for 15 hours by one of Texas' best cooks.
It was juicy & falling off the bone, yet the fat was rendered out for the most part, and the bark was outstanding:

[Bawanna]

Looks like lunch to me. Ooops, nope peanut butter and jelly again today.