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  • #61
    Originally posted by JohnR View Post
    Yeah, I don't know what to make of that. Everyone who lives in a place with a real power vacuum (like the US) appreciates Putin's cojones, but I don't know enough about him and today's Russia to evaluate what a "Putin endorsement" really means.
    Hard to know; but I think it is a good thing for Trump. Putin has the respect of many Americans, not for his politics, but for his strenght. Maybe Putin desires a worthy adversary. For those of us who have played some kind of sport all of our lives, it was a hollow victory when you beat a team that was not up to par. It was much better to beat the stronger team.

    On the other hand, I always wanted to see Putin and obama in an mma cage.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Redstate View Post

      On the other hand, I always wanted to see Putin and obama in an mma cage.
      My bet would be that O would take a dive. Wouldn't last even one round.
      The only thing better than having all the guns and ammo you'd ever need would be being able to shoot it all off the back porch.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by getsome View Post
          The non management workers of company I work for are represented by the Communications Workers of America/ C.W.A. who has decided to support Progressive Demorat Bernie Sanders....How can that many people be so blind as to support a freeking Socialist for President.... Thank God I work in a "Right to Work" state and I am not forced to pay union dues to support a crack pot like Bernie Sanders....Shame on the CWA and what they stand for......This country is going to the dogs....
          Reading the posts it's clear America is divided by ideology even here. I disagree with the liberal handouts but depend on my SSI (paid into it over 50 years) and Medicare (paid into it since it began). Here I see the C.W.A. who wants something from the administration supporting the one they think will feed them the most. One doesn't like Rubio because of immigration, another someone else who doesn't support something they want. We all generally agree here to support the 2nd amendment. Could you vote for anyone who did not support it? That's our tipping point issue period.

          So what we have in the top # (you choose) of candidates who agree on many things but not all. Isn't it time to stop counting angels and look at platforms that can beat Hilary. I'm starting to look at who can clearly carry which states. BTW, I am a shade of a conspiracy guy so I think liberals have infiltrated the GOP polls and inflating Trumps numbers. So I don't count his "I'm so far ahead" BS. The point is without all the campaign rhetoric, who gets what states against Hillary. You have to break it down to sender and race and look behind the TV sensationalism and do homework on the folks.
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          • #65
            SSI and Medicare are NOT handouts unless they pay out to people that never paid in.

            I used to have a guilt complex about my disability check but it was mandatory to pay in, not an option. You pay in according to how dangerous your job is considered by the state. At the time I got hurt myself and my partner were paying in more than the extreme minimum wage salary now days. They had carpenters right up just below loggers.

            So it forced gambling and the state lost in my case. In my case I'm glad I had it and was forced to pay it.
            I won kind of sorta.
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            • #66
              I fully agree that I am owed SS retirement and Medicare for all the years I have been forced to pay into the system.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by OldLincoln View Post
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                So what we have in the top # (you choose) of candidates who agree on many things but not all. Isn't it time to stop counting angels and look at platforms that can beat Hilary. I'm starting to look at who can clearly carry which states. BTW, I am a shade of a conspiracy guy so I think liberals have infiltrated the GOP polls and inflating Trumps numbers. So I don't count his "I'm so far ahead" BS. The point is without all the campaign rhetoric, who gets what states against Hillary. You have to break it down to sender and race and look behind the TV sensationalism and do homework on the folks.
                I think Trump is the one that can beat hillary. Who are you thinking would be the best bet?

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                • #68
                  I don't like Trump's personality. He comes off as abrasive and somewhat arrogant, but I don't have to like him. I'm never going to meet him. I think he is the only candidate who can effect actual change in Washington. Nevertheless, whoever runs on the Republican ticket will get my vote. I just bought myself a second AR-platform rifle for Christmas because I see storm clouds ahead. God Bless America.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Bawanna View Post
                    SSI and Medicare are NOT handouts unless they pay out to people that never paid in.

                    I used to have a guilt complex about my disability check but it was mandatory to pay in, not an option. You pay in according to how dangerous your job is considered by the state. At the time I got hurt myself and my partner were paying in more than the extreme minimum wage salary now days. They had carpenters right up just below loggers.

                    So it forced gambling and the state lost in my case. In my case I'm glad I had it and was forced to pay it.
                    I won kind of sorta.
                    I agree.

                    Whats ashamed is "takers" claiming survivors benefits for their new born child claiming that the father is someone who died recently. All they have to do is fill out the birth certificate with the dead guys name when the baby is born. And yes folks it's the latest SS scam on the american worker that is paying into the system. They talk about it in the social security office to their friends while applying. When they ask "who are you claiming as your baby daddy?" It just gives it away.
                    The only thing better than having all the guns and ammo you'd ever need would be being able to shoot it all off the back porch.

                    Want to see what will be the end of our country as we know it???
                    Visit here:
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                    • #70
                      First I agree the SSI and Medicare are earned unless given as welfare. I earned mine also. Keep in mind that SSI started out in a private pool to be invested is such like bonds. It got really big and the politicians put it into the general fun. Yes it is a ponzie scheme but one that was very well funded and would still be it politicians had left it alone. Notice when the cry about unfunded handouts like SSI they never that uncomfortable fact.


                      Originally posted by Redstate View Post
                      I think Trump is the one that can beat hillary. Who are you thinking would be the best bet?
                      I thought like you until I started looking at demographics. Getting started now but read that women do NOT support him, Hispanics do NOT support him, Muslems do NOT support him, Blacks do NOT support him, liberals do NOT support him, middle road whites do NOT support him. Oh, but rednecks and others are very vocally supporting him. It's like the media picking up on protests and mini-riots blowing them up into major events. The media works a lot of folks into a frenzy deciding who's guilty, should be fired, mistreated, or made to feel disenfranchised because somebody hurt their feelings. Don't be misled. YOU have to dig for facts yourself and run the rabbit trails when they present words as facts.

                      What DOES Trump really stand for anyway. He said yesterday I think, when asked how long will it take hime to start turning around unemployment and the economy, Trump said something like "I have tons of friends in business just waiting to get started. We''l bring the jobs back to America and ....." That was the first I heard of his plans to outsource jobs and the economy to commercial interests. We always say business can do it better so perhaps that's a good thing.
                      I also heard a "consultant" on Fox say that is Trump gets the nod Hillary will take all 50 states. If Cruz Hillary only takes 47 states. Gotta think for ourselves in terms of metrics by states and Electoral College votes. Doesn't mean anything if Trump takes all the votes in a state with 7 Electoral votes. And he definitely is NOT going to get NY & CA (84 votes). That's why public sentament doesn't mean anything unless it crosses all demographics and geographies.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by OldLincoln View Post
                        We''l bring the jobs back to America and ....." That was the first I heard of his plans to outsource jobs and the economy to commercial interests. We always say business can do it better so perhaps that's a good thing.
                        Wait, what? You're thinking jobs and the economy belong to the government, and for "commercial interests" (private sector) to get involved would be "outsourcing?"

                        The gap between us on the role of government is wide and deep.
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                        • #72
                          It was government policies that opened foreign factories and the us was encouraged to send jobs (NOT employees) there. Government doesn't OWN jobs and the economy but they sure control them via policies. I remember the end of WWII when US manufacturing was out producing the world with aircraft, ships, ammo and all the necessaries for the war. Manufacturing was considered a protected resource and stayed that way for a long time. Then some president decided we didn't need that stuff and announced a seachange shift in America from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. He acknowledged jobs would be lost but those could be retrained into service jobs. How'd that work out for manufacturing centers? Worked out like most smart folks thought it would.

                          So I don't say jobs and the economy belong to the government but I do can say with certainly they control it and decide who lives or dies in that world.
                          •"Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end." - O. L.
                          • "America's not at war; her military is. America's at the mall."

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                          • #73
                            The number one thing that our founding fathers encouraged us to do if we wanted to retain our freedom was to only vote for people of strong moral character. Trump is on his fourth marriage and cheated on his first three wives. If you believe that Trump is sincere, look at what he was saying just three years ago when he was a liberal democrat. Trump is all about winning and he doesn't care what he has to do to win. Trump is willing to stick it in the behind of everyone of his opponents. If elected what makes you think that he won't stick it in your behind. Trump supported abortion on demand. Trump supported the assault weapons ban. Trump donated $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. Trump supported Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and help them to get elected. Trump has close ties to organized crime from his business dealings in NY and NJ and from his gambling casinos. If that the kind of man that you want as a role model for your children or grand children then by all means vote for him. My vote will be going to a true conservative republican, Ted Cruz.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by muggsy View Post
                              ...
                              My vote will be going to a true conservative, Ted Cruz.
                              Cruz is my first choice; however, I think Trump will get the nomination. I hope you will still go out and vote for Trump. If you don't, you might as well be considered to have voted for hillary.

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                              • #75
                                If Trump wins the nomination I'll vote for him as the lesser of two evils. Not because I think that he's the best choice.
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