I generally would agree 100% but now I don't care how he does it, cheat, lie, promise the freaking moon but beat the witch and the commy, whatever it takes.
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You have to ask yourself who benefits from Trump wining the nomination. I contend that the GOP elite does. Trump is a deal maker that the party elite can bargain with. Cruz certainly isn't a deal maker. He has proven that many times over. He says what he's going to do and does it. Trump is malleable. Trump is subject to changing his position after seeing which way the wind blows. He says what the people want to hear and then does what pleases and profits him. His followers are being played for suckers, just like Obama played his followers for suckers. No wall will be built. Very few illegals will be deported and none without due process. Their cases will be argued in the courts for years. The only way that Trump can bring manufacturing jobs back is to make the business environment more palatable here in the U.S. Most manufacturing jobs were lost to automation and robotics. He won't do it by starting a trade war or with embargoes and tariffs. Ford and GM aren't going to abandon billion dollar plants overseas without compensation. If Trump is elected his supporters are going to suffer a rude awakening within two years of his swearing in and the will be far from the first people to be screwed by this conman.Never trust anyone who doesn't trust you to own a gun.
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Originally posted by muggsy View PostYou have to ask yourself who benefits from Trump wining the nomination. I contend that the GOP elite does. The elite always benefit from whomever. Trump is a deal maker that the party elite can bargain with. Cruz certainly isn't a deal maker.That is precisely why some don't want Cruz--more deadlock. He has proven that many times over. He says what he's going to do and does it. Trump is malleable. Trump is subject to changing his position after seeing which way the wind blows. Trump calls that flexibility He says what the people want to hear and then does what pleases and profits him.They seemingly all do. His followers are being played for suckers, just like Obama played his followers for suckers. There are many who feel that Obama was and is great. They just don't hang out on gun forums nor part of your social circle. No wall will be built. Very few illegals will be deported and none without due process. Doesn't this play for all POTUS? Its called "process" or checks and balances so we do not have a dictator. Their cases will be argued in the courts for years. The only way that Trump can bring manufacturing jobs back is to make the business environment more palatable here in the U.S. Most manufacturing jobs were lost to automation and robotics. He won't do it by starting a trade war or with embargoes and tariffs. Ford and GM aren't going to abandon billion dollar plants overseas without compensation.What about corp tax reform? If Trump is elected his supporters are going to suffer a rude awakening within two years of his swearing in and the will be far from the first people to be screwed by this conman. Perhaps a revamping of the GOP if elected?I am the Living Man
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Getting hung up on whether a candidate is conservative is missing the point.
Our enemy isn't simply liberalism, it's the globalist America-hating elite establishment that seeks to rule us. They want to destroy conservatives and liberals alike. They don't give a crap. They're like ISIS in that respect, they just want power, period. This is why I said not to get hung up on "issues," because that's their honey trap. Issues are the Titanic's deck chairs, we have much more important things to worry about, like beating the witch and the commie, whatever it takes!
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Shows like Reagan, they don't like their own choices....Originally posted by mr surveyor View Postall I can say for sure, trump himself bragged that some 20k democrats pushed the button for him ..... in one state.
I'm just not sure about begging currently disenfranchised democrats to join what I thought was to be a conservative revival movement. It's kinda like having big city out of state-ers move into your Southern rural neighborhood and attempt to change everything for them to feel more like what they left behind. All I have to do is visit Austin to see the decrepit decline.
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invoking the Ronald Reagan time period to trump is being delusional. From the 1950's through the 1970's, the Republican and Democrat parties were steadily shifting gears. As a Southerner, I can tell you for a fact the most Southerners were Democrats up until the true nature of that party began showing it's true "progressive" nature beginning in the early to mid 60's. Don't forget the so called "Rockefeller Republicans" label, wherein ALL Republicans were considered to be the "rich fat cats", and the Democrats were the "working man" class. During the period of the 50's through the 70's, the "silent majority" (basically Christian conservatives) steadily moved to the Republican party and the South generally turned from "blue to red". Reagan's move to the Republican party was due to a complete morphing of the two parties and he never had a total re-birth of principles and convictions. It's true he, like all of us in time, changed some of his opinions, but nothing so great as to disqualify his deeply rooted conservative and patriotic roots. Reagan's move, like he said, was due to the Democratic party leaving him and not just him leaving the Democrat party. These thousands of party hoppers in this primary are doubtful to be making their move to vote Republican for anything near the convictions of Reagan.
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The parties are still morphing IMHO. The GOP will change the most after this election.Originally posted by mr surveyor View Postinvoking the Ronald Reagan time period to trump is being delusional. From the 1950's through the 1970's, the Republican and Democrat parties were steadily shifting gears. As a Southerner, I can tell you for a fact the most Southerners were Democrats up until the true nature of that party began showing it's true "progressive" nature beginning in the early to mid 60's. Don't forget the so called "Rockefeller Republicans" label, wherein ALL Republicans were considered to be the "rich fat cats", and the Democrats were the "working man" class. During the period of the 50's through the 70's, the "silent majority" (basically Christian conservatives) steadily moved to the Republican party and the South generally turned from "blue to red". Reagan's move to the Republican party was due to a complete morphing of the two parties and he never had a total re-birth of principles and convictions. It's true he, like all of us in time, changed some of his opinions, but nothing so great as to disqualify his deeply rooted conservative and patriotic roots. Reagan's move, like he said, was due to the Democratic party leaving him and not just him leaving the Democrat party. These thousands of party hoppers in this primary are doubtful to be making their move to vote Republican for anything near the convictions of Reagan.
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I agree. If in fact a lot of these current party jumpers decide to stay in the Republican party, the Republican party will be even more moderate and "establishment" oriented than ever before. Say goodbye to true conservatism.Originally posted by knkali View PostThe parties are still morphing IMHO. The GOP will change the most after this election.
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Agreed. I think Trump may lose big, dragging many Rs on the ticket down with him. In the aftermath the remnant of the party is likely to be a smaller more cohesive and conservative group.Originally posted by knkali View PostThe parties are still morphing IMHO. The GOP will change the most after this election.
But they may be a permanent minority for a long time with no ability to hinder leftists or Islamic supremacists. America could wind up looking a lot like Belgium.Rest in peace Muggsy
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that's exactly what I see in the works right now. The "new" republican party will be so "moderate" that there will be no place at the table for a true conservative.Originally posted by SlowBurn View PostAgreed. I think Trump may lose big, dragging many Rs on the ticket down with him. In the aftermath the remnant of the party is likely to be a smaller more cohesive and conservative group.
But they may be a permanent minority for a long time with no ability to hinder leftists or Islamic supremacists. America could wind up looking a lot like Belgium.
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You're starting to sound like TheTman, John. Conspiracy theories anyone?Originally posted by JohnR View PostGetting hung up on whether a candidate is conservative is missing the point.
Our enemy isn't simply liberalism, it's the globalist America-hating elite establishment that seeks to rule us. They want to destroy conservatives and liberals alike. They don't give a crap. They're like ISIS in that respect, they just want power, period. This is why I said not to get hung up on "issues," because that's their honey trap. Issues are the Titanic's deck chairs, we have much more important things to worry about, like beating the witch and the commie, whatever it takes!Never trust anyone who doesn't trust you to own a gun.
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