cwp kills robber

[kahrnut1]

a spartenburg sc cwp holder was eating at waffle house when 2 armed robbers entered & demanded money. the cwp pulled his gun & told the bgs to drop weapons 1 did not & he shot & killed him. the sheriff commended him on his actions & said no charges would be filed against cwp.

[Thunder71]

That's a good outcome and all, but definitely beyond how far I would have gone based on Minnesota laws.

[1radman]

Here's the story:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/298...obbery-suspect

SHEEPDOG!

I can honestly say i don't know if I would have done the same. If innocent people were about to be shot? yeah probably...as soon as he turned his weapon towards me? Absolutely...I'm emtyinit!

[CJB]

Good Lord!

I hope they covered the cost of his breakfast, and gave him some free coffee too!~


Only thing I did at breakfast, was once I Heimlich maneuvered (as best I could) a very old lady, in a wheelchair, who was choking. The staff asked me, being rather large, to do it. I did. A huge chunk of home fry flew across the dining room and landed on some poor sods plate. I remember him holding it up in the air after... the things you remember! Anyway, I heard a very distinct "crack" when I grabbed the old gal. She was breathing ok, but complaining of pain in her sides at her ribs. Oops. So... I laid ten bucks on the counter and beat feat before the paramedics or cops arrived. The home made cornedbeef hash was good that Sunday too... @#$@$ didn't get to finish it!

[kahrnut1]

i'm not sure if the details of this shooting will be revieled. but the da no billed it. so there must have been at least a threat to kill.

[CJB]

In Fl. its very legal to come to the aid of another who you believe to be in danger. Cant say for that locale.

[tv_racin_fan]

Far to often the bad guy comes in and says gimmie the money, then when the good guy gives him the money the bad guy shoots anyway.

I honestly do not know what I would do but my family has discussed it. WE intend to wait and see how the bad guys act, if they seem to only want the cash they can have it but if it looks like they may shoot we intend to go into action.

[kahrseye]

I agree with the wait and see philosophy. Many bgs just want the money and leave. If I inject myself into the situation I cannot control how the bgs are going to react and may cause an innocent bystander to be harmed.

[skiflydive]

Good Lord!

I hope they covered the cost of his breakfast, and gave him some free coffee too!~


Only thing I did at breakfast, was once I Heimlich maneuvered (as best I could) a very old lady, in a wheelchair, who was choking. The staff asked me, being rather large, to do it. I did. A huge chunk of home fry flew across the dining room and landed on some poor sods plate. I remember him holding it up in the air after... the things you remember! Anyway, I heard a very distinct "crack" when I grabbed the old gal. She was breathing ok, but complaining of pain in her sides at her ribs. Oops. So... I laid ten bucks on the counter and beat feat before the paramedics or cops arrived. The home made cornedbeef hash was good that Sunday too... @#$@$ didn't get to finish it!

If you do CPR (Heimlich included) properly you're gonna break ribs. Period. End of story. They should have told you that in class.

[CJB]

I didn't take class! I grabbed the lady under her rib cage and pulled up and in with a good amount of force... figuring any air left in there was gonna expel the obstruction.

I heard later...she was ok... but I didn't wanna talk to anybody official!

[thebrasilian]

I live in SC and we have Castle which states that you have the right to be where you are and intervene if someone can not defend themselves.

If you noticed in the article the 19 year old perp did point the gun at the CWP holder. Reason to shoot.

Also, there are a lot of information about robberies that don't end well when they ask people to go to the back room.

[HDoc]

I agree with the wait and see philosophy. Many bgs just want the money and leave. If I inject myself into the situation I cannot control how the bgs are going to react and may cause an innocent bystander to be harmed.

When they ordered the customers to the floor, they involved the shooter.
Lying face down wouldn't exactly allow you to draw your weapon if the situation turned sour.
I agree if they hit the register and fled, I'd not intervene.

[Armybrat]

I agree if they hit the register and fled, I'd not intervene.

Same here, it's only paper fiat money anyway.

But if the perp looks like he's gonna get crazy.....

[OldLincoln]

I think this is a good scenario to consider. Probably general consensus to leave alone if they only robbed the place, but what would you do if ordered on the floor and had the opportunity to draw unseen. We know what went right, but what could have gone wrong and what consequences likely to follow? I'm all for defending those needing defending, and ONLY trying to raise thoughtful discussion. I believe these th9ngs need to be considered before becoming a plan.

1. What if the perp that pointed his gun at the CCW just turned and fired a couple shots hitting customers before being dropped, or the CCW missed?

2. ?

[kahrseye]

Same here, it's only paper fiat money anyway.

But if the perp looks like he's gonna get crazy.....

My philosophy is very simple. I'm not paid to protect a store or bank that I just happen to be in when it's getting robbed. They can take anything they want, I'm sure it's insured. That doesn't mean I don't have my gun ready to go if things get ugly. They hurt someone or look like it's going to escalate then I would feel compelled to step in. I just don't think pulling out my gun and telling them to freeze would be the way to go...cuz you can't predict how they are going to react. You may get someone shot because they (bg) looses it.