Breakin' the Law....

[TheTman]

I went to a concert last night in the Downtown area of the neighboring mid sized city. Downtown is not the best place to be after dark, so I took my Charter Arms and put the Barami Hip Grips on it and stuck it right down the very front of my pants and hooked the clip behind my belt buckle. I figured 5 shots of .44 special was better than none.
I got frisked as I entered the building but they didn't pat down the area the gun was tucked, and they asked if I had any weapons, and I said something that sounded like "no" ("Doh") and went on in. I don't see why just because they have a concert that I have to give up my 2nd admendment right to see a show, particularly when it's in a bad part of town. Anyway, I was glad I was armed after the show, going back to the car, some unsavory types were hanging around and I had transferred my weapon into my coat pocket and was ready for whatever. Thankfully no one bothered us and we made it to the car uneventfully. Anyway, those Barami Hip Grips are nice for times you want to be armed but aren't supposed to be. Normally at other facilities, I do leave the gun in the car, but not downtown.
Had they found the gun, the most they could do was ask me to leave. BTW, I looked, they did NOT have the No Guns sign posted. At least not where I could see it. I did a review on our conceal carry laws, and that was not a prohibited place or anything. They just have a thing about people being armed at shows here, which is BS, since so many of them are downtown.

[RodeoX]

I hear what your saying, but second amendment rights do not extend to private property. The issue is their property, their rules. Too bad that some of the places where carrying makes to most sense are the most restrictive.

[TheTman]

What bothered me was their was no "No Guns" signs posted, so I didn't feel that bad about sneaking in my pistol. Now if they were going to provide me with armed escort back to my car after the show, I'd gladly have left my gun in the car. But no, you're on your own in a not so good neighborhood, where junkies and crackheads are known to hang out.

[RodeoX]

Perhaps your not breaking the law? If I remember correctly here in Wisconsin a business MUST post a no guns sign at each entrance and exit.
You have given me an idea. What if i make up a legal contract to take responsibility for my personal safety? Then when I'm at a store with a sign, I'll see if the manager will sign it.

[jocko]

I don't think u broke any law but the business has the absolute right to tellyou no entry with a gun andif they find one on u, they cold boot u out of the concert with no retrun priveldges. A chance one takes. I walk in a large mall and on every entry way wall there is a rules of the mall and one of them isno firearms. Beenb walkig there for year with my PM9 in my front pocket. At the worst I would be asked to leave the story. I never even worry about it. If I new every day every mall person was going to be searched, I would not carry then, but they just do not do that in malls for they would loose business pronto. Malls are struggling the way it is, further harassement to 99% who do not carry would not go well. I went to a Reba concert in Indy about a year ago and had my PM9 on my not thinkingthey would check and damn they had a guy body searching at the gate. I was wearng at the time my 5.11 black holster shirt under my sweater. he never even noticed and went for my waist band and ankles. It would have been a long walk back to the car though. there was no signs posted tha tI could see, but I was later told it is concert policy. I can understandthat, I may not agree with it. It is not the concert part that bugs me it isthe walk back to the vehicle at midnight . Thats when I want my protection..

[Bawanna]

While I never endorse breaking a law and have full respect for a business owners property and what they see as a reasonable rule however misguided it might be, I totally endorse bending the heck out of the law or rule when it comes to personal and family safety. Common sense takes precedence over the law in my book.

I have no issue with not going someplace. If I know a particular event they are going to not allow guns it's a simple thing for me. I'm staying home. My wife always wants to go places, I'm perfectly content at home where guns are allowed and recommended.

[jocko]

yes but ur an ol foggy bawanna!!!

[muggsy]

yes but ur an ol foggy bawanna!!!

Do you know how Bawanna got to be an old foggy, Jocko? Buy not messing with any old foggys. Take that as a word of advice from an old foggy.

[jocko]

indeed I have that stored in my wondering brain.. course some of the wisest people I have meet would be condisered an old foggy , as u know most old foggy's have been there done that sh-t.

[LMT42]

Isn't it illegal in most states to carry anywhere that alcohol is served?

My local range doesn't allow anyone to enter with a loaded gun (CC or otherwise). I understand there are a lot of idiots in this world, but it still seems rather hypocritical to me.

[mr surveyor]

Isn't it illegal in most states to carry anywhere that alcohol is served?

Not in my state!
My local range doesn't allow anyone to enter with a loaded gun (CC or otherwise). I understand there are a lot of idiots in this world, but it still seems rather hypocritical to me.

not the rules at my range

I love where I live

[ltxi]

Isn't it illegal in most states to carry anywhere that alcohol is served?............

No...

[LMT42]

I love where I live

I live in Texas, too. The below is hard to interpret re half their revenue from alcohol sales, but I'd think a concert would apply in Texas.

"The law also specifically prohibits handguns from businesses where alcohol is sold if more than half of their revenue is from the sale of alcohol for on premises consumption, and from locations where high school, college, or professional sporting events are taking place."

[bboswell]

I live in Texas, too. The below is hard to interpret re half their revenue from alcohol sales, but I'd think a concert would apply in Texas.

"The law also specifically prohibits handguns from businesses where alcohol is sold if more than half of their revenue is from the sale of alcohol for on premises consumption, and from locations where high school, college, or professional sporting events are taking place."

True but said businesses are required to post a 51% sign.

[mr surveyor]

LMT42

The "51%" law is NOT hard to interpret. Most restruants (not all) serve beer, wine, and some serve mixed drinks. Unless they make more than 50% (law stipulates 51%) of their total revenue from sales of alcoholic beverages the carrying (lawful) of handguns is not prohibited. If they post the "big ugly sign" (section 30.06) properly, you have been given proper notice that they as private property owners do not want concealed handguns on their property, but that applies to any/all privately owned property/business, regardless of what they sell. If you casually check a resturants liqour license (usually stapled to the wall in the hall to the "can", you can see immediately if they are a "51% establishment" ... if they have the proper TABC sign. If the sign has red lettering with a big red "51%" logo in the center, they are (if the proper sign in the first place) off limits to concealed carry. If the sign in Blue, the only sinage they are required to post is the "unlicensed possession of a firearm....." sign, which does NOT affect licensed concealed carry.

The issue of an entity posting 30.06 at any event can be dicey depending on the location. Technically, government owned property, i.e. city, county, state, can NOT be posted 30.06 unless certain requirements are met. Professional sporting events and organized school events (like high school football in a municipally owned stadium) would certainly be off limits without the signage. Gun shows in Texas are prime examples of gray area violations of CHL holders rights. Most gun shows are held in city/county owned facilities and are not posted with the "big ugly sign", although they all post the "no loaded firearms" warning and require you to be checked (verbally at least) at the door for compliance. As far as I know, there have been no "test cases" to actually try these conditions.

As for the "concert" thing.... I'd doubt that they would come close to making 51% of their revenue from the sale of alcohol, even it were applicable as a legal block to a licensed carrier.


surv

p.s. so as not to get banned for sharing a link to another gun related website, if you're interested I'll PM you a link to a Texas specific website that you can find answers to just about any Texas CHL issue