Breakin' the Law....

[jdlott74]

Here the law is that you can carry in an establishment that serves alcohol, but you can't drink. The weird part is that you can have up to .8 blood alcohol, same as driving. So I could drink a beer, strap on a gun and head out to a bar. This is an important part of the law. With a zero tolerance rule one could not use cold medicine or any other products with trace amounts or alcohol.

Why would you drink and carry in the first place. That is just NOT good common sense.

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[jdlott74]

In NC I can't even legally carry into Applebee's or anywhere that serves alcohol at all. The law stipulates that you can't carry and consume any alcohol at all. But here, you can't even have a meal and carry.

LOL.... That is funny. You can carry just not get caught. Carrying and drinking is just DUMB.

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[jocko]

we can carry ih a bar, so I guess they assume ur gonna drink also..

[RodeoX]

Why would you drink and carry in the first place. That is just NOT good common sense.

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Agreed. I do drink and carry, just not at the same time.

[jdlott74]

Agreed. I do drink and carry, just not at the same time.

We are the same way....

[ltxi]

Well, sorry...or not...I do both within limits and make no apologies for it.

[CootShooter]

I don't know where I stand on this issue yet. I feel that I will be carrying to protect myself. Most of these events would be places that I would feel more of a need to protect myself.

But in Wisconsin, "A person may be subject to a Class B forfeiture if he or she carries a firearm on the property after being notified not to remain on the property" - Wis. Stat. § 943.13(1m)(b)

Class B forfeiture = "not to exceed $1000" - I don't think I would risk it.

(btw, my CCL is in the mail so I haven't conceal carried as of yet)

[Armybrat]

I won't go to the range without. There has been more than one guy rent a gun to commit suicide at the indoor ranges around here. I don't want someone to rent a gun to have fun gunning down the people on the firing line for fun. I carry at any range I go to anymore.

I hear you.

A few weeks ago a guy killed himself at the local indoor range I frequent north of Austin. I had been shootin' there the week before.

Pretty scary - there have been 3 suicides by handguns in my extended family over the past 4 years (one was a female police officer with a debilitating disease, another was an in-law with health issues, and the 3rd was just a depressed loser).

[Armybrat]

Well, sorry...or not...I do both within limits and make no apologies for it.

I will have a drink or two with my restaurant dinner. But I weigh in at well over 3 bills, so that amount of alcohol ingested in two hours doesn't even register in my head.

[TriggerMan]

I will have a drink or two with my restaurant dinner. But I weigh in at well over 3 bills, so that amount of alcohol ingested in two hours doesn't even register in my head.

In Michigan, we can't CC into a bar or any establishment where the majority of revenue comes from alcohol sold by the glass. I am told by an attorney, that police say they know a bar when they see one and I should too. I am OK in Applebees but I make sure to sit only in the dining area. Even at 224 lbs, I am told that one drink could take me over the CC BAL of .008. Legally impared is .08, drunk is .10 An 8 with two zeroes in frnt of it isn't much. I like my CPL more than I do my beer or wine.

[MO_Soldier]

I live in Texas, too. The below is hard to interpret re half their revenue from alcohol sales, but I'd think a concert would apply in Texas.

"The law also specifically prohibits handguns from businesses where alcohol is sold if more than half of their revenue is from the sale of alcohol for on premises consumption, and from locations where high school, college, or professional sporting events are taking place."

I love Missouri. Missouri state law agrees with virtually all of the laws and restrictions listed before me, plus more. However, as a CCW holder, only ONE applies to me. No alcohol while using a firearm.

EDIT: However, if you have drank and shoot in self defense, you aren't punishable for any violation committed in the protection of your life, another's life, or to stop a felonious act. So along the "don't get caught" lines.

[Armybrat]

In Michigan, we can't CC into a bar or any establishment where the majority of revenue comes from alcohol sold by the glass. I am told by an attorney, that police say they know a bar when they see one and I should too. I am OK in Applebees but I make sure to sit only in the dining area. Even at 224 lbs, I am told that one drink could take me over the CC BAL of .008. Legally impared is .08, drunk is .10 An 8 with two zeroes in frnt of it isn't much. I like my CPL more than I do my beer or wine.

The carry law here in Texas has the same proviso, but we can sit in the restaurant bar. Places that derive 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales are verboten to CHLs, and should be properly posted. But I don't go to "bar only" establishments.

But it also says that a CHL holder who has had a drink (s) has to be "impaired" before it's illegal for us to carry. The legal limit of .08 is not mention in the Texas CHL Code, IIRC. The impaired thing here is pretty ambiguous.

[TriggerMan]

True but said businesses are required to post a 51% sign.

The carry law here in Texas has the same proviso, but we can sit in the restaurant bar. Places that derive 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales are verboten to CHLs, and should be properly posted. But I don't go to "bar only" establishments.

But it also says that a CHL holder who has had a drink (s) has to be "impaired" before it's illegal for us to carry. The legal limit of .08 is not mention in the Texas CHL Code, IIRC. The impaired thing here is pretty ambiguous.

The problem here is twofold, first our law does not require a 51% type sign; second, police use discretion when determining whether to arrest you and confiscate your carry gun. I try to stack the odds in my favor by never sitting in the bar area, even if the place is family oriented and PROBABLY get most of its revenue from food.

[PYROhafe]

So... here in SC the no gun sign has to adhere to a set criteria for it to be legal. So if I see one of these signs with a gun with a line through it, or something of that nature but it doesn't meet the requirments of sc law does that mean I can basically pretend itsnot there and carry on in?

[TheTman]

I don't know about SC, but that is the way KS Law is written.