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Should a teacher have a right to Conceal carry?

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  • #31
    Many schools have armed security already. Dont know what the problem is to go bigger with this. They have the model already, they have the costs....do it. We can find the money. It is just prioritizing what is important to get the funding. I can think of a lot of sheet that can be cut to fund this. The NRA offered free training nation wide. Well it isnt free, members pay for it but I have no problem with funding this through my membership. The psychos in this country have started a new industry for us. School Security. After a while the armed guards will blend in and never be thought of or noticed until needed. Remember they are there to protect the staff too. I am sure teacher(s) would feel good knowing that someone is watching them get to their cars safely too at the end of the day.
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    • #32
      I'm a teacher, albeit at the college level, who has a concealed pistol license. Before there's any real talk about being able to conceal carry in the class room, I'd just like the legal ability to leave my pistol locked in my glove box.

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      • #33
        That would be nice, wouldn't it, Pyrahna? Hospitals, colleges, civil administration, etc.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Pyranha View Post
          I'm a teacher, albeit at the college level, who has a concealed pistol license. Before there's any real talk about being able to conceal carry in the class room, I'd just like the legal ability to leave my pistol locked in my glove box.
          Depending on where you are you may be able to do just that. Here the parking lot of a school is considered public domain. Anyone can drive through the parking lot. Only inside the building or enclosed walk ways do the school zone free fire zone rules apply.

          Here as long as your vehicle is locked and the gun is not visible from outside your good to go.

          Just remember if your gun is in your car, it might as well be on the moon, you most likely won't be able to get it when you really need it.

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          • #35
            The federal Gun-Free School Zones Act does not apply to colleges and universities. Of course, states and local municipalities can impose their own restrictions.
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            • #36
              Colleges & Universities generally have prohibitions against carry by Students and Employees. The penalty is usually discharge. That is the only force of law they have.

              I am a parent, not a student, not a professor. The worst they can do to me is tell me to leave. If I refuse, THEN I violate the law with defiant trespass and can be arrested.
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              --Thomas Jefferson (1764).

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              • #37
                Qualified and CWP licensed teachers should be able to carry or at least pre-position their weapon in a good biometric-locked safe in their desk. Retention around "kids" has to be a concern... no pistols in purses or badly-printing CW's.

                The armed teachers should receive extra training because of the danger of shooting kids... through walls and such... as well as participate in drills with law enforcement on proper procedures during emergencies... with emphasis on not scaring the kids to death, but trying to protect them as best as possible.

                I would think that any good security setup would include surveillance cameras and at least 2-3 armed "guards"... one monitoring the surveillance monitors and all able to communicate by radios. One roving guard or one at the front door is NOT enough.

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                • #38
                  Many teachers who have a conceal carry license, can legally carry in school. They just don't know it.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Bawanna View Post
                    Depending on where you are you may be able to do just that. Here the parking lot of a school is considered public domain. Anyone can drive through the parking lot. Only inside the building or enclosed walk ways do the school zone free fire zone rules apply.

                    Here as long as your vehicle is locked and the gun is not visible from outside your good to go.

                    Just remember if your gun is in your car, it might as well be on the moon, you most likely won't be able to get it when you really need it.
                    Much to my dismay, that's not the case in North Carolina. Or any other state I've lived in. It's something I always ask about during CCW/CPL training in a new state. Throughout my professional career before teaching, every company whom I've worked for has had policies against not just carrying but storing your pistol in your own glove box when your vehicle is parked in company parking. A number have even prohibited them to be in your own vehicle when traveling on company business.

                    At my previous employer, a few times a year they'd have security personal attempt to search people's vehicle upon entering the parking lot or garage - specifically looking for those who conceal carry. Frequently you'd see a handful of people park else where that day, but you don't always have that option.

                    Personally I'm inclined to believe there should be some regulation on the issue. While allowing companies to prohibit carrying on company property, not allowing them to prohibit pistols from being stored in personal non-company vehicles.

                    Originally posted by RRP View Post
                    Many teachers who have a conceal carry license, can legally carry in school. They just don't know it.
                    Perhaps in some states, but not in any state I've taken CCW/CPL training in.

                    Additionally, every university or Fortune 500 company I've worked for has had a policy declaring immediate discharge for possessing a firearm on university/company grounds - including parking lots.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by RRP View Post
                      Many teachers who have a conceal carry license, can legally carry in school. They just don't know it.
                      Originally posted by Pyranha View Post
                      Perhaps in some states, but not in any state I've taken CCW/CPL training in.

                      Additionally, every university or Fortune 500 company I've worked for has had a policy declaring immediate discharge for possessing a firearm on university/company grounds - including parking lots.
                      Though it wasn't clear, my comment was in reference to the federal law as it applies to elementary and secondary schools, not to your situation at the post-secondary level.

                      I agree with everything you posted regarding restrictions imposed by employers.
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                      • #41
                        Teachers already have the right.
                        Only a Free society recognizes that right.

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                        • #42
                          Yes

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                          • #43
                            wow so teachers are allowed the responsibility to shape and form young minds but not to carry or store their gun in their car. Hmmmmm
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Tinman507 View Post
                              God what an upside down world we live in. I wonder what we'll look like in 4 years
                              My sentiments exactly...
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