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  • NY Ammo Background Checks - Sucks

    This sucks. What a waste of time and money. This initiative does not protect anyone. It only serves as an infringement on gun owners. As though FFL dealers are expected to participate for free....nonsense. They will charge us. Cuomo has his head up his.....



    As you know, the SAFE Act that was passed last year over my strenuous objection includes a background check on buyers of ammunition in New York. Because I have had a number of calls on this issue, I wanted to provide an update.

    The law requires that the background checks on ammo buyers start on January 15, 2014, OR whenever the state police superintendent certifies that the relevant database is in place and operational.

    Please note the following:

    1) While ammunition sellers and retailers must register with the state by January 15, the database is not in place and is not operational. Ammunition background checks will not begin on January 15;

    2) The SAFE Act does not authorize any fee for the ammo background check. I have received numerous calls about a supposed $10 fee for the ammo background check. The state police would need clear authority in the law to impose a fee, and there is none in the law. I believe that some are confused by the fee that dealers can charge when they perform NICS checks for someone involved in a private sale. If a retailer or big box store clerk is telling you that his company is going to charge you a $10 state fee for ammo background checks, ask to see the letter from the state police;

    3) While the SAFE Act now prohibits free citizens from exercising their right to accept personal delivery of ammunition via the Internet, a vendor can ship your Internet purchase of ammunition to a licensed ammunition seller (gun dealer or FFL) where you take possession of it in person. This might happen, where for instance, a dealer might not keep ammo on hand in unusual or less common calibers;

    4) The prohibition on Internet sales, and the ammunition background check, do NOT apply to reloading components. You may still purchase powder, shot, wads, primers and hulls via your usual sources (but I respectfully suggest that you support your local corner gun dealer).

    You can stay updated on the SAFE Act at this link:

    http://www.governor.ny.gov/nysafeact/gun-reform.

    Last year, the legislature reduced the applicable portion of budget funding for the ammunition background check database. Little funding is available to move forward on its development. To build a database that will check multiple sources simultaneously (mental health records, orders of protection, felony convictions, etc.) will take a period of time and substantial funding. It's been almost a year – and it's not ready to go.

    We had some good news with a federal judge's decision striking down the SAFE Act's limit on seven cartridges in a magazine, but there's much more to be done.

    I will continue my efforts to peel back as much of this travesty as possible.






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    Well at least you're good per #4!
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    • #3
      Ridiculous
      The only thing better than having all the guns and ammo you'd ever need would be being able to shoot it all off the back porch.

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      • #4
        That's the price of voter apathy.
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        • #5
          Anyone needing ammo in N.Y. should call old muggsy. I'm starting a boot legging operation to get a head start on organized crime. I'll hereby refer to my operation as disorganized crime for obvious reasons. I can supply everything from .22 shorts to the 500 S&W mag. Bulk orders are not a problem. You need 'em, I got 'em. Cash only.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by RRP View Post
            That's the price of voter apathy.


            Really? Not from NY huh?
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            - "One should diligently train at all times." Miyamoto Musashi
            - "Train in technique until it requires no thought - no mind and just happens." Takan Soho
            - "The truth beyond the technique....Here's where we stop thinking and start shooting." Brian Enos
            - "A single sword against the cold sky." Yamaoka Tesshu
            - "You must concentrate upon and consecrate yourself wholly to each day, as though a fire were raging in your hair."
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            • #7
              Voter apathy is right. Still have a hard time believing this is actually happening in America.

              I live in Utah and Utah loves guns and we've never even discussed these laws as an option. It actually seems the more anti-gun other states become the more pro-gun Utah becomes.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by RRP View Post
                That's the price of voter apathy.
                Originally posted by garyb View Post
                Really? Not from NY huh?
                Let's not make this personal, garyb.

                Gun rights have been eroding away because gun owners have gotten lazy. We've taken these rights for granted and have done a poor job communicating to our elected representatives, the importance of preserving these rights.

                If every gun owner in this country stood up to be counted, our Constitutional freedom would not be in jeopardy. It could be as simple as joining the NRA, or your favorite industry group. But we don't even do that.

                ...and now we're paying the price for our apathy.
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                • #9
                  This is what trips across the state border into PA and VT are for. If women could/did cross state lines to get abortions, NYers can cross state lines to get ammo. Turn about is fair play. Screw 'em I say.

                  Find some friends, or a gun store in another state. Ship there and go pick it up. Sucks, but that's the way it goes in anti-constitutional states.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RRP View Post
                    Let's not make this personal, garyb.

                    Gun rights have been eroding away because gun owners have gotten lazy. We've taken these rights for granted and have done a poor job communicating to our elected representatives, the importance of preserving these rights.

                    If every gun owner in this country stood up to be counted, our Constitutional freedom would not be in jeopardy. It could be as simple as joining the NRA, or your favorite industry group. But we don't even do that.

                    ...and now we're paying the price for our apathy.
                    I'm not taking it personal at all. If you understood how this issue works in NY you would know that it is controlled by NYC where most of the liberal antigun population resides and controls the liberal politicians like Cuomo. Not worth getting into...you are obviously not a NY'er. That's all I am saying. Your statement is generally true for the country, but the gun owners in upstate NY are far from apathetic; we are members of the NRA; we are fighting the safe gun act; and we are out numbered. Simple as that. It is not about apathy in our state. The state is controlled by the highly populated city. Gun loving NY'ers in upstate NY understand and hopefully will chime in.
                    My Sword - PM4044N/CTL/Talons
                    - "One should diligently train at all times." Miyamoto Musashi
                    - "Train in technique until it requires no thought - no mind and just happens." Takan Soho
                    - "The truth beyond the technique....Here's where we stop thinking and start shooting." Brian Enos
                    - "A single sword against the cold sky." Yamaoka Tesshu
                    - "You must concentrate upon and consecrate yourself wholly to each day, as though a fire were raging in your hair."
                    Taisen Deshimaru
                    - "Know your sword!"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by chrish View Post
                      This is what trips across the state border into PA and VT are for. If women could/did cross state lines to get abortions, NYers can cross state lines to get ammo. Turn about is fair play. Screw 'em I say.

                      Find some friends, or a gun store in another state. Ship there and go pick it up. Sucks, but that's the way it goes in anti-constitutional states.


                      Yes...good points. We'll have to find another way for sure.
                      My Sword - PM4044N/CTL/Talons
                      - "One should diligently train at all times." Miyamoto Musashi
                      - "Train in technique until it requires no thought - no mind and just happens." Takan Soho
                      - "The truth beyond the technique....Here's where we stop thinking and start shooting." Brian Enos
                      - "A single sword against the cold sky." Yamaoka Tesshu
                      - "You must concentrate upon and consecrate yourself wholly to each day, as though a fire were raging in your hair."
                      Taisen Deshimaru
                      - "Know your sword!"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by HAP1978 View Post
                        Voter apathy is right. Still have a hard time believing this is actually happening in America.

                        I live in Utah and Utah loves guns and we've never even discussed these laws as an option. It actually seems the more anti-gun other states become the more pro-gun Utah becomes.


                        Good for Utah. I wish NY was like that. But it has nothing to do with voter apathy, no more than voter apathy got Ovomit elected. Pro gun folks got out voted by pro give to me for free folks. In NY STATE, it is primarily NYC that carries the votes. Folks in NYC do not know about guns and do not want guns in the city. They think that if you make the city gun free, they will be safe. The entire STATE of NY is not like the city, but we don't have the votes, just like the country did not have the votes to keep Ovomit out. NYC libs vote for libs. The SAFE ACT was done by Cuomo, who by the way, may be running for President....so look out apathy! He put in the NY Safe Act in the dark of the night. WE did not have a vote for the Safe ACT. It was inacted by the Governor, who has support of anti gun libs from NYC. It has nothing to do with apathy here in NY. Generally speaking, Upstate NY is pro gun. DownState NYC is anti gun. When Cuomo gets elected for President, you'll see how your apathy argument works out for you. Just sayin. God Help America.
                        My Sword - PM4044N/CTL/Talons
                        - "One should diligently train at all times." Miyamoto Musashi
                        - "Train in technique until it requires no thought - no mind and just happens." Takan Soho
                        - "The truth beyond the technique....Here's where we stop thinking and start shooting." Brian Enos
                        - "A single sword against the cold sky." Yamaoka Tesshu
                        - "You must concentrate upon and consecrate yourself wholly to each day, as though a fire were raging in your hair."
                        Taisen Deshimaru
                        - "Know your sword!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by garyb View Post
                          I'm not taking it personal at all. If you understood how this issue works in NY you would know that it is controlled by NYC where most of the liberal antigun population resides and controls the liberal politicians like Cuomo. Not worth getting into...you are obviously not a NY'er. That's all I am saying. Your statement is generally true for the country, but the gun owners in upstate NY are far from apathetic; we are members of the NRA; we are fighting the safe gun act; and we are out numbered. Simple as that. It is not about apathy in our state. The state is controlled by the highly populated city. Gun loving NY'ers in upstate NY understand and hopefully will chime in.
                          You should try and get a vote to become the 51st state of the union. It could be called UpstateNY. You could maybe get inland Mass. to join in too. I don't know what to do with Connecticut though.
                          The only thing better than having all the guns and ammo you'd ever need would be being able to shoot it all off the back porch.

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                          • #14
                            Good points garyb. You're right. You live there so you know more than I. That sucks that NYC dictates how the rest of the state is run. People in NYC really live in a fairy-tale land.

                            Did you see what Cuomo said the other day? He really is a piece of work. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...e-of-new-york/
                            Last edited by HAP1978; 01-19-2014, 06:10 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Re: NY Ammo Background Checks - Sucks

                              Originally posted by HAP1978 View Post
                              Good points garyb. You're right. You live there so you know more than I. That sucks that NYC dictates how the rest of the state is run. People in NYC really live in a fairy-tail land.

                              Did you see what Cuomo said the other day? He really is a piece of work. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...e-of-new-york/
                              I agree with garyb on all points. I'd also add that Westchester County has become overwhelming liberal. Between Westchester and NYC, liberal lunacy reigns and sadly sets the tone for our elections.

                              The above link to Cuomo stating that because I'm Conservative that there's no place for me in NY? Ok, he wins.

                              I live in Rockland County. Only about 30 miles north of NYC. Not far enough away. We'll be moving to NC in about 1.5 years. Lower taxes (18k in property tax, really?!) and freedom being the impetus for the move.

                              Love NY but hate what it's become. My parting words will be no more or no less than, "good freakin' riddance!!!"
                              Last edited by WMac19; 01-19-2014, 05:02 PM.

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