One in the pipe..? or not?

[wyntrout]

A scenario that scares the heck out of me is someone with a knife at close quarters. You've heard the phrase "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight", well, if there's not one in the tube, chances are that you just brought a rock to a knife fight. There's a pretty good chance you'll never get to rack that slide if you have to fend off a knife attack with one arm, maybe your strong arm. Were the gun loaded you might be able to keep the knife from your torso while you draw your ready-to-shoot weapon. Your weak arm could be incapable of racking the slide if sliced up. Just something to think about. I never really trained with a knife, but I watched a video on YouTube and it was sobering -- slash to incapacitate, then follow up with whatever it takes to end the fight. It can be a little distracting, too, if you're holding your vitals in after a slash.
Just something to think about. People tend to underestimate knives -- how fast things can happen.
Wynn

[jocko]

almost as bad as carrying a 3 blade pocket knife and expecting the BG to wait on you while you got it opened, Just makes no sense..

[Vinikahr]

Racking the slide is for Hollywood. I always have mine on ready.

... and for the Israelis!

[Vinikahr]

One in the pipe since 1992. You just need the right firearm to the formula.

[Romadoc]

I often have a worry about only having 7+1 in my K9 as compared to the 15+1
available in my Glock 26 with a model 19 magazine with spacer. To voluntarily give up another round is sheer madness. However, I've just ordered a Crimson Trace for the K9. This goes a long way towards making carrying the Kahr my preferred choice.

[Vinikahr]

One in the pipe or not.

YouTube - Pistol Carry Method : +1 VS Israeli ...

[mx5fan]

YouTube - Pistol Carry Method : +1 VS Israeli ...

Who says it's Israeli, not having a round chambered??

[Vinikahr]

Who says it's Israeli, not having a round chambered??

pistol-training.com Blog Archive The “Israeli” Draw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdZ3hZ8y-w
:80:

[ltxi]

seriously stupid demo....predictable, ideal conditions. Anyone ever heard of combat related stress? And what the hell happens if you don't happen to have the second hand...available. Anyone capable of accidentally shooting themselves with a Kahr because they're carrying it with a round chambered most likely deserves it...natural selection.

Revolver with the next chamber empty makes just as much lack of sense.

[Price]

This whole idea that bringing your non-firing hand to your weapon, pullling the slide back, and then getting your second hand in place is less than a third of a second slower escapes me. In an actual situation this would take longer and even if one were to train extensively on this and could perform all three actions that fast I personally would not be willing to give up that time. I am sure that there is some situation out there that would justify keeping the chamber empty, but I cannot think of it. However this is one of those comfort things. The what when how and why we choose to carry is a personal preference so for me the only way I would feel comfortable is with a round in the chamber but if I felt more comfortable with the chamber empty then thats exactly how I would carry. So I dont feel the same as anyone who carrys chamber empty but I can understand why they do.
Keep Your head down good guys, Price

[ltxi]

It is just about as fast under ideal conditions and with practice but the notion of Condition 3 carry is a holdover from the early days of S/A semi-autos. Same thing with carrying older and replica S/A revolvers with the hammer down on an empty chamber. There used to valid safety arguments. With some guns, like Glocks, where the safety is imbedded in the five or six pound, short pull trigger itself maybe you can still make the case. But in a Kahr, with its very revolver like trigger pull feel/design, C3 makes no sense at all to me.

I do comprehend the comfort thing, especially if you don't have a full appreciation of how the internals work. Just seems like a good way to get yourself killed, though, if/when the dynamics go south.

[zena]

Always one in the chamber. Hope to never need it but isn't this the point to carrying? To be ready. Not sort of ready.

[kahrs&cars]

+1..I would have to agree. Always a round in the pipe and ready if needed incase a bad situation should arise and my life is in danger.

When seconds count...the less needed to prepare, the better.

[mx5fan]

I'm always ready to rock and roll.

I think it's sort of a process. When I first started to carry, I was just getting used to the idea of having a pistol on my person and that was enough for me to deal with and get my head around. Once I had more extensive training at Front Sight in Nevada (4 day tactical handgun), I felt some much more confident and capable, it became second nature to just carry with one in the chamber. Now, I feel like I'm missing something if I don't carry, it's just part of getting dressed in the morning and if heaven forbid, I had to actually use my pistol against a BG, the last thing I'd want to think about is racking the slide.....so, there is always one in the pipe.

[wyntrout]

But...but...in the movies, they chase guys all over the place, apprehend them, and THEN, for emphasis, they rack the slide, as "needed"!???
Okay... but they also point their guns at the ceiling and jump from cover into the middle of the room... or hallway... gun still pointed at the ceiling... and then look around. This seems like a good tactic... like Whack-a-Mole! Also, it's harder to acquire the target when your gun's in the air. It's easier to raise your gun, still being able to see the target and bring the gun to bear. I know... I know... preaching to the choir, but some people seem to still mimic Hollywood.
Wynn