One in the pipe..? or not?

[Vinikahr]

But...but...in the movies, they chase guys all over the place, apprehend them, and THEN, for emphasis, they rack the slide, as "needed"!???
Okay... but they also point their guns at the ceiling and jump from cover into the middle of the room... or hallway... gun still pointed at the ceiling... and then look around. This seems like a good tactic... like Whack-a-Mole! Also, it's harder to acquire the target when your gun's in the air. It's easier to raise your gun, still being able to see the target and bring the gun to bear. I know... I know... preaching to the choir, but some people seem to still mimic Hollywood.
Wynn

Another Hollywood blunder is when they have a pistol with no hammer such as the Glock and you can hear the sound of pulling the hammer back. :4:

[wyntrout]

OR, when they have a 1911 type with the hammer down... and probably no round in the chamber either. I've seen that many times where they have chased and apprehended someone, held them at gun point with a 1911 type pistol, hammer down... and then for emphasis or to be more threatening, they rack a round into the chamber. I really hoot at stuff like that, but my wife doesn't appreciate me pointing those things out... or my comments and wants me to shut the heck up while she's watching TV or a movie. Then there are the scenes where they rack a shotgun... and rerack it a few minutes later -- unspent round sailing through the air... but no retake. I've seen a shotgun racked about three times in a couple of minutes, without being fired... live rounds aflying. Then there are the scenes with the gun's slide locked back and empty, but still being pointed threateningly. It's just too much sometimes.
Did you see "Old Rambo" the latest Rambo movie? They used a LOT of 50 cal. Ma Deuces, and showed body parts aflying and lots of "misting" -- unusual realism. It certainly does that, the Ma Deuce.
And while I'm off topic... this could be under tactics and CCW -- Magnum, PI. I don't know if you've ever watched that (while TDY to Hawaii, I once drove through a scene while they were shooting that series and saw him sitting in the red Ferrari -- early 80's). But I always marvelled at him chasing BGs while carrying a full-sized 1911 .45 in the back of his short-shorts... and he could always pull a fresh mag or two from somewhere. He would need some kind of holsters or mag holders grafted to his backside!
Wynn
I'll shut up now!

[asd123]

hi

That way all he would have to do is pull the trigger if the gun is need to defend his life.




















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[Bstinson]

I think this point is under-stressed...
You may not have a arm free to rack the slide in a bad situation.

The reason for carrying is not to intimidate but to defend.
In a defensive moment you need all your wits and abilities to get to safety.
Who would really want to waste any time worrying about racking the slide?

If you create some good habits in gun safety then there should be no problems.
I don't know of any law enforcement agency in the US that train to keep a chamber empty.
If your intent is defense then always be ready.
That video was just utter nonsense IMHO.

Brad

[PETE14]

I think it is a bad idea to carry one in the chamber!

Signed,
The Robber

[Vinikahr]

That way all he would have to do is pull the trigger if the gun is need to defend his life.






















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Are you selling?
What is your point?:86:

[Vinikahr]

I think it is a bad idea to carry one in the chamber!

Signed,
The Robber

I would like to read your position as per why?
Elaborating would contribute to your position.:86:

[PETE14]

I had the same view of why carry one in the chamber on a different website. The following is what convinced me to carry with one in the chamber (The following is attributed to "Gideon" on DefensiveCarry.com).

In defensive weapons handling, you're only deploying your weapon as a response to certain circumstances and basically when you pull it, it's with the full intention of having (and being prepared) to use it. In such a situation you have little time to think and you're immediately scared and the body startes to do things in response to the threat. Fine motor skills go out the door, we tend to go into slow motion with tunnel vision and the body is dumping addrenaline like crazy so the less you have to manipulate controls on a purely defensive weapon the better.

Although you'll get MANY different opinions on this, I believe a DAO (double action only) trigger is also optimal for a defensive weapon. If a gun is a single action, then it takes too little preassure to pull the trigger. In a DAO gun (wether auto or revolver) it typically takes more pounds of preassure to pull the trigger and the trigger usually has to travel a longer distance (pull weight and lenght of pull) before the weaon discharges.

When you're all excited/scared, you don't want the lightest shortest pull. Those triggers are great for hunting or target shooting but not for defensive shooting.

The Kahr weapons are designed for one purpose, CCW. As a result they have the fewest possible controls and they're DAO, albiet probably the lightest shortest DAO out there.

The key to safety here (besides the longer pull lenght) is keeping the trigger covered in a good holster and keeping your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot your target.

[Vinikahr]

I had the same view of why carry one in the chamber on a different website. The following is what convinced me to carry with one in the chamber (The following is attributed to "Gideon" on DefensiveCarry.com).

In defensive weapons handling, you're only deploying your weapon as a response to certain circumstances and basically when you pull it, it's with the full intention of having (and being prepared) to use it. In such a situation you have little time to think and you're immediately scared and the body startes to do things in response to the threat. Fine motor skills go out the door, we tend to go into slow motion with tunnel vision and the body is dumping addrenaline like crazy so the less you have to manipulate controls on a purely defensive weapon the better.

Although you'll get MANY different opinions on this, I believe a DAO (double action only) trigger is also optimal for a defensive weapon. If a gun is a single action, then it takes too little preassure to pull the trigger. In a DAO gun (wether auto or revolver) it typically takes more pounds of preassure to pull the trigger and the trigger usually has to travel a longer distance (pull weight and lenght of pull) before the weaon discharges.

When you're all excited/scared, you don't want the lightest shortest pull. Those triggers are great for hunting or target shooting but not for defensive shooting.

The Kahr weapons are designed for one purpose, CCW. As a result they have the fewest possible controls and they're DAO, albiet probably the lightest shortest DAO out there.

The key to safety here (besides the longer pull lenght) is keeping the trigger covered in a good holster and keeping your finger off the trigger until your ready to shoot your target.

Your elaborated position seems to be different from your comment. :86:

[PETE14]

If you would have looked closely it was signed by "The Robber" (kind of a Jim Rome Reference.). Obviously any robber would want you to carry that way so it would be harder to shoot him. Total sarcasm that didn't carry over. Next time I will use a smiley face.

I have been carrying my gun with one in the chamber and at first made me nervous but I am getting used to it.

[medezyner]

Ah, asd123, am I missing a reference that The Tribe dvd set relates to in this thread?

Whomever is not putting one in the pipe for safety reasons hasn’t considered how unsafe it is having the BG get the drop on you. Or maybe that person hasn’t heard of the 21 foot rule? Knife training has opened my eyes to the speed and lethality of edged weapons. As my Guro said: “ In a knife fight, one goes to the hospital and one ends up dead”. Put one in the pipe and train, train, train.

[wyntrout]

Well said, Med' -- failure to feed could ruin your day... and it's hard to rack the slide with one arm/hand... try racking a slide in a room full of busy people... it will get real quiet and guess where all attention turns? I think that the sound of racking a slide pierces and gets through even gunfire-deafened ears. Do you really want all attention diverted to you -- "Whack-a-mole"!
Wynn

[Vinikahr]

If you would have looked closely it was signed by "The Robber" (kind of a Jim Rome Reference.). Obviously any robber would want you to carry that way so it would be harder to shoot him. Total sarcasm that didn't carry over. Next time I will use a smiley face.

I have been carrying my gun with one in the chamber and at first made me nervous but I am getting used to it.

That cross my mind but it really would had help with the smiley faces :59: thanks for the clarification(no sarcasm on my part)

[PETE14]

Whatever See I am learning!

[Vinikahr]

Whatever See I am learning!