First LEO Stop

[southernjeepn06]

I've been pulled over without my weapon so can't comment on what I did but there are a few videos out there on what to do. From what I remember...tell the officer you have a loaded firearm and you are license to carry it. Some states you don't need a permit for vehicles in a closed compartment but still should let the LEO now. The video showed the cop asking the driver to grab the firearm with his weak hand and hand it to him. The LEO then placed it on top of the car until they were done with their business. He then handed the firearm back and left the vehicle.

I'm not a LEO but that seems like a logical thing for an officer to do to insure his/her safety. Then they don't have to worry in case the situation does change.

[Chowser]

Here in Ohio, if you own the plate on the car, when we run it, it pops up that the owner has a CCW permit. (shame on the officer if he/she doesn't run the plate first before walking up). i've stopped a few people with permits. most were not carrying. the few that were, i just ask where it is and advise them don't do anything funny. i've never taken it from the person. too many things can go wrong when a gun is removed from a holster. it's safer to just leave it where it's at. i don't want to know what kind of gun you have or how fast you can get it out. i know i can get mine out real fast

[jocko]

Indiana is not that way, a plate check brings up nadda about a permit. Which IMO is what it should be..

[OldLincoln]

I'm torn on the database thing Jocko. I look at every cop as if they were my son or daughter. While they're not actually mine, they are somebody's. My son was injured in academy and had to withdraw or it might be him making the stop. so I have an affinity for them in general - although I'd like to take a whip to a few.

Anyway, if it were my actual son making the stop, I'd want him to know if the person has a permit. If he knows the permit is there he can confirm the presence of a gun as a normal course of business. Conversely is there isn't a permit and he sees a gun he can go to red alert.

[Bawanna]

The officer should be on red alert on every traffic stop regardless. No reason in the world that a permit or lack there of should give him or her a false sense of security.

I stick to the don't ask don't tell. I'm extremely polite and cooperate in every way. I don't mention my gun/guns. They are on me, not in a console or glove box or anything, so retrieving paperwork will be a non issue. If there's a chance the gun will be seen or I detect a concern on the officers part I will most definitely let them know I'm armed, have no ill intentions and have a CCW if you'd like to see it. Here it is considered faux paus to show your badge in an attempt to get out of a ticket. Kind of like name dropping. It sometimes works and sometimes makes you get the ticket even more.
But if a weapon question comes up then it's ok to flash the badge even for civilian office pukes like myself. Similar to a CCW permit. Even that should not let the officer completely drop his guard.

Traffic stops are scarey things and can turn ugly in a fraction of a second.

Everybody talks how tough SWAT is, they have all the cool protective gear, and have lots of information before they kick the door along with a plan and lots of guys to help. The officer standing at in the street risking getting struck by a passing motorist while possibly facing America's Most Wanted criminal, he's the guy/gal with the tough job.

[Ressom]

Here in Ohio, if you are carrying the first thing out of your mouth should be I am a CC permit holder and I have a weapon on my person.

Search youtube for what happened in Canton a couple of months ago when the officer would not let the CCH permit holder speak.

[TomMc]

That cop was suspended and fired and deserved it. However, the CHL holder must have been half an idiot not to speak up. At a minimum, I'd have been waving it in LEO's face. I think he should be fired too.

[Rainman48314]

Here in Ohio, if you own the plate on the car, when we run it, it pops up that the owner has a CCW permit. (shame on the officer if he/she doesn't run the plate first before walking up). i've stopped a few people with permits. most were not carrying. the few that were, i just ask where it is and advise them don't do anything funny. i've never taken it from the person. too many things can go wrong when a gun is removed from a holster. it's safer to just leave it where it's at. i don't want to know what kind of gun you have or how fast you can get it out. i know i can get mine out real fast

This makes total sense to me. Asking a driver to get it out with his weak hand smells of trouble. How does the LEO know its really his weak hand?

[bikerbill]

a few weeks ago my wife and I were heading for Branson MO from our home in Texas, driving a rented car with AZ plates ... got pulled over in Arkansas by a state cop ... following my CHL instructions, kept my hands on the wheel until he got to the passenger window, then gave him my license and CHL and told him there was a loaded weapon in the car ... he asked where it was (driver side door pocket), told me to leave it and asked me to get out of the car. Then ... he patted me down and asked if I had any other weapons ... told him I had a 3-inch folder clipped to my left front pocket, he said he didn't care about that ... had me sit in his car while he ran whatever on his computer, told me I had a clean record (ya, I know) and said he had pulled me over because my right front wheel had gone over the curbside white line!! well, ok, he gave me a warning, was very friendly, sent me on my way ... I'm 66, by the way, retired, not a likely profiling subject ... my wife and I spent the next half hour wondering why he really pulled us over; we decided he was bored and thought he's mess with some tourists ... he couldn't have thought I was drunk or high, since he never asked about that ... couldn't have thought I was a drug runner, since he never asked to search the car or trunk ... always wondered how a stop would go if I was armed, now I know ..

Oh yeah, he wasn't that cute ...

[MikeyKahr]

Cuteness level

Oh yeah, he wasn't that cute ...

So say you bikerbill....or your wife? Men in uniform just do it for the gals....sometimes. Nice job on keeping it cool during the LEO stop.

[jocko]

that cop was just looking for someone to pull over, so what over on the right side curb line, geez WTf, u can't prove him wrong \either. They can pull one over today for any damn thing they want. its profiling IMO.

[Bawanna]

I enjoy profiling and I'm good at it. I can pick out a dirtbag at 300 yards.

I wish they would utilize my given talent and let me put it to good use but nooooooooo, we gotta go to classes telling us it just ain't proper.

You'll love this, they just added this a week ago to the dept ops orders. Specifically not profiling because someone is riding a motorcycle. It didn't say Harley or Honda, just any motorcycle. Sheeesh, rules, we don't need no stinking rules.

[Scoundrel]

I suspect the more things they tell you to not profile about, the more those things catch your eye.

But that's just my cynical side coming out. Me who has almost never been issued a "warning", while my wife, who has been stopped multiple times, has never gotten a ticket, even when sassing the cop a little.

[MikeyKahr]

That cop was suspended and fired and deserved it.

Just an fyi the officer in question in Canton has not been fired...yet. He's on administrative leave for the foreseeable future as he's suffering from ptsd. The local police union has worked to get his disciplinary hearing delayed until December if not until later so patrolman Harless has a chance to recover.

To read about the latest: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8008

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[bonjorno2]

In Florida you don't have your concealed license linked to your plate... it's a different system and I feel it should stay that way. Like bawanna said you should be on high alert anyways through the stop. There is nothing routine these days anymore!