First LEO Stop

[Markis82]

In Florida you don't have your concealed license linked to your plate... it's a different system and I feel it should stay that way. Like bawanna said you should be on high alert anyways through the stop. There is nothing routine these days anymore!

Also in Florida, you are not required by law to tell the officer that you have a permit or that you're carrying. A cop friend of mine said, "If the cop is too stupid to ask if you have a weapon, then don't tell him/her." I don't go by that. I show my permit with my DL license and explain if and how I'm carrying, without using the word gun or firearm. I don't want to alert anyone. I say, "I'm carrying now. " or something like that. The couple of times I have been stopped, they have never asked for me to remove my gun. In fact as they see the permit they seem to relax and it turns from a stop to a chat. I have never received a ticket after showing my permit. One officer asked if he could check out my LCP. "This in not official but can I see your LCP?" I said, "Sure, I'm going to draw it now." I proceeded to draw and drop the mag and rack the slide to eject the loaded cartridge and handed the officer an unloaded weapon with the action locked open. I thought this would be the proper way to hand a gun to a police officer. BTW, he liked the LCP and checked it out by putting it around his ankle. This was before my CM9 days.

[bonjorno2]

^^^ correct, but i'd still write the ticket

[MikeyKahr]

Finally an update about the case in Canton

There is finally an update to the case in Canton, Ohio of the LEO that threatened to kill the citizen who was legally carrying and not given the opportunity to inform. Today, the judge in the case dropped the failure to inform charges against the citizen (William Bartlett). Lots of interesting tidbits in today's hearing, particularly the prosecutors' tactics as well as the officer's partner's testimony, see the following link for some details:

http://www.ohioccw.org/201111104990/...-bartlett.html

As for the officer, he's still on the job although still on leave. His hearing will be coming up next month unless something changes.

[aray]

Excellent. I'm a big LEO fan, but this case was over the top. Sadly there are a few bad apples in any bunch and this is one of those times. Glad the judge tossed the charges.

[aray]

Also, here are two other cases where this same cop (Daniel Harless) threatens to kill other citizens as well. Not quite as clear as the William Bartlett case where Bartlett tried to inform the officer of his CCW permit, but in context of that incident still troubling.

See: http://www.pixiq.com/article/second-...police-officer
and: http://www.pixiq.com/article/canton-...dash-cam-video

And, in case you missed it, here of course is the original video of Harless going ballistic and interrupting Bartlett thus thwarting his multiple attempts to inform him of the CCW permit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kassP7zI0qc

[MikeyKahr]

Another update

Below is a link for an update on the Bartlett/Harless situation that's been posted on Buckeye Firearms Association's web site:

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8067

There's an interesting 5 minute interview that a local channel had with William Bartlett if you scroll down.