How many Lawmen use Kahr for back up or off duty.

[Retlawman590]

Around here only a few. They mostly always buy Glocks and Kel-tecs (). A few buy Sigs and some older cops have J frame revolvers.

[Cokeman]

My brand new Taurus .22 PLY is perfectly fabulous! It's Yellow & Black and makes me feel witty and gay! Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Seriously, I wouldn't use any Taurus for any thing critical. With discounts LEOs get, I'm surprised one wouldn't stick to a major American, German or Austrian brand.

It does?

[Retlawman590]

From professional experince I have alway looked at the 380 as what you carry when you don't really want to carry a gun...Many small 9's and 45's are only marginally bigger.

I would not trust my life to a 380. PERIOD A 380 is only margnially useful as a last ditch contact weapon. I have seen WAY too MANY 380s fail to penetrate heavy clothing, heck I know an officer that thankfully had a 380 bounce off his hard head with nary more than a scratch. And it was a direct on frontal hit not a glancing blow.

I cannot slam the 380 as a self defense round enough. Sorry but thats my experience.

I agree, plenty of LEO carry the Kel Tec P3AT here off duty, even in the winter. I remember years ago I carried a J frame .38 with heavy loaded +P, a spare speedloader and always felt under-gunned. I guess its different around here (Metro NY), where most LEO have never even touched a gun until the academy. I went through firearms training as a nuclear plant security guard before LEO and that was my first time. Guys seem to pack heavy heat when they first get on the job though, but as the years go by, the guns get smaller.

[Longitude Zero]

Still reading....

I see some departments don't allow back up while on duty? Whats the premise for that? Its got to be political....

I too have never understood that. When I hired on my dept required your backup to be the exact same weapon as your primary issue. That was a model 65 so where was I going to stuff a second model 65. Fortunately after a new chief came in that changed quickly. However my dept has ALWAYS banned 1911 cocked and locked an still does. Even for off duty carry.

In fact after Glock hit it big many other depts in my area banned cocked and locked 1911 carry.

[Bawanna]

In our area 1911's were pretty much universally not allowed. In the last year or two they are being accepted more and more. We aren't allowed them for uniform duty but detectives carry them and we have at least one officer carrying a 1911 in a vest holster.

Many of the county deputies have gone 1911 after they were approved.

It used to be a lot of public perception, the hammer back was intimidating (ya think) I think also everyone wants to do what LA Swat does so they gotta be good. Police copy military in most areas too.

[jlottmc]

You have no problem with a 1911 on a belt for an officer, what about a T/TP series especially a TP45? I wouldn't feel at all disadvantaged with one on my hip. There are several departments around here that don't care what you carry on duty or off as long as it is .380 or bigger. I would have no problem carrying a Kahr that I know to be reliable in any fashion, I know that there are also some security types that allow Kahrs to be on their belts (Bell Helicopters comes to mind).

[Sap]

K9 off duty
Sig 226 .40 on duty

I know a few guys that carry kahrs off duty

[Bawanna]

We now have 4 PM9's in the dept for off duty and/or backup and my PM45 that no one knows about. A detective just got a PM9 last week.

Another is talking a CM9 but so far he hasn't went for it.

[SGT405]

CW40 for backup.

[CinBrandon]

I have no LE experience. But my brother-in-law is a federal special agent with department of state. He's qualified with the PM9 and carries it as Back-up and off duty.

Also, I bought my PM9 from a sheriff deputy. it was his BUG. He was just trading up to PM40 to match his free ammo from his department.

[SGT405]

Just added a PM9 to go a little smaller.

[bulldog62]

PM9 or CW40 off duty

[Dogman]

Since I'm off duty every day (retired) I carry my PM9 more than all my other guns put together. I know a couple of the officers in the area have gotten PM9's for back up and off duty.

[sas PM9]

PM9 off duty now; with 147gr Ranger Bonded or "T"'s.
Star Firestar 40S&W previously; with 180gr HP's.
Charter Arms SS 2" snubby previous to that; with 158gr fmj.
Charter Arms 3" Bulldog 44S&W originally; with 240gr SWC.

Most accurate for me is the PM9 with the Bulldog close behind.

-steve

[Motor51]

I'm new to the forum and actually joined due to purchasing a PM9 for off duty carry.