I'm liking WST more and more

[Bawanna]

You mentioned you were going to sell it since you had the others. I have no idea what something like that was worth only that it was more than I probably had which is extremely normal.

Oh well, day late and a dollar short once again. Whittle that in my head board, probably won't afford stone. Wife's gonna no doubt do her grieving in the Bahama's.

[jg rider]

I'm sure it's been well over 20 years since I got it. Actually a friend and shooting partner bought it and gave it to me. I don't know what the shelf life is. I hope since it's never been open and it's been in a cool dark dry place all those years it's still ok. Guess I'll find out some day.

I loaded a ton of trap loads with that stuff.

I have to say I've never heard of Winchester Super Target so something on the to try list some day.

I've got several pounds of W231 to burn up for now.

I appreciate the offer but I was only kidding. I should have put a smilie. If I still competed in IPSC I'd take you up on your offer. But now I only compete in Steel Plate matches.

For steel I use 3.5/ Bullseye/180 or 200/SWC. It's the old light bullseye shooter's load. Or 4.0/WST/180/SWC. A 10# recoil spring is recommend.
For IPSC matches I used 5.6/WST/180/SWC or 5.0/WST/200/SWC or 5.8/231/200/SWC
For IPSC practice I used 5.5/WST/180/SWC or 4.6/WST/200/SWC or 5.5/231/200/SWC
For defense practice we use 5.5/WST/180/SWC

I don't recommend anyone trying these loads. I'm just saying that's what I used.

I couldn't find any old 452AA loads. I went and looked in an old 1984 Bill Wilson book for what the old champions used.

Back then guys like Rob Leatham, Brian Enos, Ray Chapman, J.Michael Plaxco, Mickey Fowler, Ken Hackathon, John Shaw used 5.7-5.8/231/200 for IPSC
And 5.0-5.5/231/200 for practice
Bill Wilson and some others
used 5.0/Bullseye/200 for Ipsc
and 4.6-4.8/Bullseye/200 for practice

You're old enough to know these names, right?

As some celebrity here likes to say "I'm just saying"

[jg rider]

You mentioned you were going to sell it since you had the others. I have no idea what something like that was worth only that it was more than I probably had which is extremely normal.

Oh well, day late and a dollar short once again. Whittle that in my head board, probably won't afford stone. Wife's gonna no doubt do her grieving in the Bahama's.

Don't tell anyone, keep this to yourself. IMHO unless you have an old A1 AR with the 1:12 twist I wouldn't buy one.
The A2 Colts with the 1:7 twist is too violent I had to many misses at 50yds that it made me think that the bullets were exploding mid flight.
The newer 1:9 twist was better but 1:12 was best.
The last thing is crap build up in the gas tube. After shooting a lot of .22s out of an AR, accuracy will suffer when you go back to 5.56. You'll need to get a bunch of extra long pipe cleaners, sold by Brownells, to clean the gas tube.

That's my story and I'm sticky to it

[bapple]

I'm sure it's been well over 20 years since I got it. Actually a friend and shooting partner bought it and gave it to me. I don't know what the shelf life is. I hope since it's never been open and it's been in a cool dark dry place all those years it's still ok. Guess I'll find out some day.

I loaded a ton of trap loads with that stuff.

I have to say I've never heard of Winchester Super Target so something on the to try list some day.

I've got several pounds of W231 to burn up for now.

I don't think WST has been out all that long because I can't find it in my 2008 Hornady reloading book. All my data for it comes directly from the Hodgdon/Winchester reloading center online.

I LOVE WST a lot, but one thing I slightly disagree with is it being clean. I have found it is much more gummy than other powders and I usually end up having to scrub it with a copper wire brush to get it off certain areas. I think Alliant Power Pistol and Winchester Autocomp are two much cleaner powders.

So for me, when it comes to velocity - Alliant Blue Dot (includes defense loads). And when it comes to mild target rounds - Winchester Super Target.

[jg rider]

I don't think WST has been out all that long because I can't find it in my 2008 Hornady reloading book. All my data for it comes directly from the Hodgdon/Winchester reloading center online.

I LOVE WST a lot, but one thing I slightly disagree with is it being clean. I have found it is much more gummy than other powders and I usually end up having to scrub it with a copper wire brush to get it off certain areas. I think Alliant Power Pistol and Winchester Autocomp are two much cleaner powders.

So for me, when it comes to velocity - Alliant Blue Dot (includes defense loads). And when it comes to mild target rounds - Winchester Super Target.

I don't remember WST being gummy, but I clean about once year and when the wife's away so that I can use the dish washer.
It's not as dirty as Unique or Blue Dot... or was it Green dot?
In any case I seem to remember that you need more Blue Dot to make the same velocity as WST or others.
Pleas correct me if I'm wrong

[TheTman]

With so many great SD loads available, I wouldn't take the chance of using handloads in a SD scenario. When on trial whether civil or criminal, there are a number of things that they are going to look at, and perhaps using ammunition "specifically designed to kill" or whatever terminology a lawyer might use, just might be the thing to swing a juror's mind over to a guilty vote. I doubt if anyone has been convicted JUST because they used reloads, but it may have been a contributing factor to being found guilty.
Do what you want, chances are you'll never have to use them for SD, but if you do, hope you have a good lawyer on retainer. That, and the possibility of a bad load are a couple of things that keep me using name brand SD ammo. I don't care how long you been reloading, a bad load or squib load is a possiblity, we are human and we do make mistakes. I'm not trying to insult your reloading skill or anything, just sayin.

[bapple]

I don't remember WST being gummy, but I clean about once year and when the wife's away so that I can use the dish washer.
It's not as dirty as Unique or Blue Dot... or was it Green dot?
In any case I seem to remember that you need more Blue Dot to make the same velocity as WST or others.
Pleas correct me if I'm wrong

Well on Alliant's website, Power Pistol and Blue Dot are the two highest velocity powders they have, with Blue Dot edging it out by a bit. I've never looked at the max velocities for WST but it's a very fast burning powder and I don't know how it would handle the load. Then again, maybe it would be good and it's very low flash so it's certainly a possibility.

[ilmbaba]

You read like a guy that knows his reloading stuff. Curious... Would you carry with your reloads or are you of the opinion it is not a good idea should you ever have to use your gun in a SD situation?

Thanks

I used to think it made perfect sense to use my own reloads, and then, just last week, I had one not go boom, for no apparent reason. This was out of 50 that I had done in a sitting. Now, I'm not saying that you'll never get a dud from a factory load, but in all my years shooting, I can't say as I ever had a factory load not work (besides, if it doesn't fire, then you can become a bottomfeeder and sue the ammo company......if you survive the attack).
Don't know if I did something wrong, or if all the planets were lined up just right, but I would not want to see the size of the BG's smile if I pull the trigger and it just goes click.

[jocko]

it still makes perfect sense to reload: If ur good at it. what happened to u doesn't really IMNO prove thatu did anything wrong, just that the planets were not in aligment that second..Fokk it reload and continue to shoot it like u stole it

SH!T HAPPENS ILMBABA