To Kahr: Fix the P380 or quit selling it.

[TheTman]

I was just looking for something to slip in my pocket for a quick run to the kwik mart or dollar store, where I'm pretty certain I wouldn't need it here in my small town. My EDC is a CW45.

[WMD]

I carry my PM9 in my pocket all of the time. No safety! You do not need a safety with the striker block system and the fact that the Kahr is a DAO pistol. Another way of looking at it is....

Carrying a Kahr in your pocket is no diffrent then carrying a revlover in your pocket (which I occasionally carry as well!)

[JFootin]

Anyone who relies on a 380 to defend themselves has little/no regard for their safety. At least get a 9mm.

It worked for James Bond. (Licensed to kill.) :9:

[knkali]

I carry my PM9 in my pocket all of the time. No safety! You do not need a safety with the striker block system and the fact that the Kahr is a DAO pistol. Another way of looking at it is....

Carrying a Kahr in your pocket is no diffrent then carrying a revlover in your pocket (which I occasionally carry as well!)

actually I think the Kahr is a little safer to carry like that than the revolver is unless the revolver is hammerless.

[TheTman]

Yes the Kahr is different from carrying a revolver. The trigger is much smoother on a Kahr, and you can't feel the cylinder turning.

[WMD]

OK OK...., When comparing to a revolver, I was only thinking about the safety factor of putting a gun without a safety lever in your pocket (remember Richard and the twins?)

I do occasionally carry my revolver (with hammer) in my coat pocket. Certain not any pocket that is tight fitting like you find on dungarees. Then again, with a body like mine, one is not apt to wear "tight fitting" clothes....

I am off to the gym.....

[TheTman]

I just feel better having a safety on a gun in my front pocket. I do carry my revolver in my front pocket occasionaly, but the trigger pull is much heavier, and I'm sure I'd feel the cylinder turning if the trigger or hammer got hung up. The safety on the LC9 is right where it should be, same place as a 1911, so it shouldn't be a problem. Everyone I've showed it too has said they really liked it, one of them said he'd found the pistol he wants. If I could get a Mass. model PM9 that would work, but that's a lot more $$$. The manual safety is a big deal to many people. I had some really liking my CW40 and 45 until they got to looking for the safety, then told me they wouldn't own a pistol without a manual safety. I've explained the safety of the Kahr Trigger system, but some folks just HAVE to have that manual safety. The LC9 cost me exactly what I got out of the gun I sold, so that worked out well. Didn't have to spend extra money. I have 2 Kahrs that I really like, why not give Ruger a chance?
I notice Mr. Hickock45 sure liked the PM9 better than the LC9 though. My Kahrs will continue to be my EDC pieces, the LC9 is just something to slip in the pocket for a quick run down to the market. Much better than the .32 I had to do the same thing with.

[GOOFA]

I find it funny that no one remembers the MDE having a history of the slide cracking at the muzzle. I experienced two of them myself. I now have an LCP thats been flawless through 500 rounds and what I've found to be the best of the bunch accuracy wise and again with just over 600 rounds is the S&W BG .380 . It has been flawless, recoil similar or a tad less than the LCP, much better sights if you use them and as far as the laser goes there is a workaround that has made mine 100% operative. Remember these .380's are designed to be "point and shoot" . BTW, I have also had 2 frame replacements with my P380. Check out the forums, I think you'll find the happiest of all owners will be the BG .380 if you overlook the laser problem and fixed it yourself.

[JFootin]

I find it funny that no one remembers the MDE having a history of the slide cracking at the muzzle. I experienced two of them myself. I now have an LCP thats been flawless through 500 rounds and what I've found to be the best of the bunch accuracy wise and again with just over 600 rounds is the S&W BG .380 . It has been flawless, recoil similar or a tad less than the LCP, much better sights if you use them and as far as the laser goes there is a workaround that has made mine 100% operative. Remember these .380's are designed to be "point and shoot" . BTW, I have also had 2 frame replacements with my P380. Check out the forums, I think you'll find the happiest of all owners will be the BG .380 if you overlook the laser problem and fixed it yourself.

I think GOOFA wins the 1st prize for finest photos around here! The link to the Kahr album is broken, but you can go to his public profile and click there to see 3 pages full of photos. And the Flicker Photostream is non-ending.

Gliffe, do you own ALL of those guns? If so, is your gun safe the size of Fort Knox? Did you win a record amount in the lottery or something? What about long guns? I didn't see any. ..... LOL! You are under no compulsion to answer these questions. Just ribbing you! Nice guns and photos!

[JFootin]

I find it funny that no one remembers the MDE having a history of the slide cracking at the muzzle. I experienced two of them myself. I now have an LCP thats been flawless through 500 rounds and what I've found to be the best of the bunch accuracy wise and again with just over 600 rounds is the S&W BG .380 . It has been flawless, recoil similar or a tad less than the LCP, much better sights if you use them and as far as the laser goes there is a workaround that has made mine 100% operative. Remember these .380's are designed to be "point and shoot" . BTW, I have also had 2 frame replacements with my P380. Check out the forums, I think you'll find the happiest of all owners will be the BG .380 if you overlook the laser problem and fixed it yourself.

Can you detail what the problem was with the laser on the BG .380 and what you did to fix it? Is it the built in laser that improves its accuracy over the LCP? Would not an LCP with a CT laser do as well?

[GOOFA]

Jfootin...
The buttons to operate the laser are much too soft to consistently operate the laser. S&W will send you replacements which work fine but they lose their rigidity quite fast and the operation of the buttons becomes to inconsistent. Inside the rubber buttons there is a little nib, when you depress the button the nib presses against the membrane which in turn operates the laser. The workaround is to take a thin pen refill and cut it the depth of the rubber button and place it around the nib, this gives the nib the rigidity it needs to consistently press against the membrane to operate the laser. I have done three of these with great success. The procedure can be time consuming because the depth of the pen refill around the nib needs to be somewhat exact to work properly. It shouldn't take more than a half hour and once done it operates the laser very easy. Also, if the laser is removed for service, the pistol operates just fine without it. The BG .380 has sights that actually work if needed. Once you get used to the pistol you will probably shoot well enough to employ the "point & shoot" method at close distances. It's really a great gun for its price, with or without its laser.

Thank you for the compliment on my photos, and yes those are all my pistols. I do not own any long guns at this time, I'm a pistol man.

[Cookster]

to add my $0.02, and perhaps some useful feedback for Kahr in case they happen to read posts here and/or participate. . .

I am a fan of Kahr's. I have an MK9 that I really like and is a daily carry. Based on my experience with it, three other friends of mine have bought Kahr pistols (non-P380) and are very happy with them.

For at least a year, probably a bit more actually, I have been doing the research to upgrade to a .380 pocket pistol (from a P-32, that I am happy with). I regularly monitor this web-site and others, for any sign that the reliability, etc., of the P380 was improving.

I REALLY wanted to jump on the P380 for many reasons. I felt that the perceived design, workmanship, features, shootability, real sights, sweet trigger, Kahr C.S., etc., was an easy justification for me to spend the extra dollars for it.

I am tired of waiting, Kahr. I respect and admire the level of support that Kahr has put forth to help folks out with bad P380's, but for me, I am not about to commit my resources of money and time on a roll of the dice.

While I do recognize that product reviews on the internet can tend to be biased towards the negative, I really do not see the same level of negative issues on the forums where the other pocket .380's are discussed.

Sorry Kahr, I absolutely did want to buy a P380, but my decision has been made to not get the P380. I will be picking up .380 pocket pistol from a manufacturer that seems to be able to produce a reliable weapon out of the box, starting with the very first round.

Respectfully,

Rob

P.S. - To the members of this forum, especially the P380 owners, thank you for all of your straightwarding reporting and experiences with your P380's. I found this information to be very helpful. Best Regards to everyone.

[JodyH]

If I had it to do all over again, I'd buy a Ruger LCP or a S&W 642 J-frame.
I'm tired of being nickle and dimed to death on an unreliable gun.
$20 transfer fees and $30 boxes of ammo start to add up when they are nothing but frustration.

[jocko]

COOKSTER: IMO a very wise decision on ur part. IMO u made a very nice non vindictive statement of FACT;


When the finaly get it right, then maybe u will consider. I think many owners wish they could be saying what your saying now..

[Cookster]

When the finally get it right, then maybe u will consider. I think many owners wish they could be saying what your saying now..

jocko,

I would absolutely consider taking another look at buying the P380 if Kahr can "finally get it right", as you say.

Rob