To Kahr: Fix the P380 or quit selling it.

[TominCA]

I agree - mine are "running" now but the effort to get them to go was, overall, beyond what was reasonable. One went back with cracked frame and was replaced, the second one went back for something or other and came back not really running right - I fixed it myself, and the third one ( I have two) ran good after about 200 rounds. But they are still finicky and difficult to shoot little guns. I still like them but overall the factory seems to be having a lot of trouble making them run right.

In conrast the PM9 is great and not all that much bigger. My MK9 is also great.

I was going to get a Kahr in 45 ACP but decided against it because of my experience with the p380's. Only 1 out of 3 did what it was supposed to.

[Finnster]

About those lcp and lc9 pistols

I would not give praise to the LCP or the LC9. I recently returned 3 new LC9's that were defective. I bought a MK9 instead and I don't regret it one bit. It shoots perfectly, absorbs recoil(within reason) and conceals better than any 9mm I have tried.

[HadEmAll]

I would not give praise to the LCP or the LC9. I recently returned 3 new LC9's that were defective. I bought a MK9 instead and I don't regret it one bit. It shoots perfectly, absorbs recoil(within reason) and conceals better than any 9mm I have tried.

What does you returning 3 LC9s have to do with the LCP?

[Squib]

Manski - I think you'll be good if the mauve is dark enough. As for the P380, Kahr has got to be aware by now that they have a problem. So, it appaars as though they have their collective heads in the sand hoping it will go away. Not a good sign. In the meantime, Sig has fixed their problems on the 238, and now it is hard to find one.

[KahrOwner]

Just like gambling you just have to know when to quit. I will be getting mine back in a couple of days and I have already bought 200 rounds of .380 WWB ready for the range this weekend.

THIS IS ITS LAST CHANCE AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED!

If I still get issues it is NOT going back to Kahr again and I will do my best to let other folks know that Kahr sucks. I really don't need all this pain and hassle Mr. Kahr!

I have other pistols that shoot just fine and I will look for a replacement to fill the role that I had identified for the P380.

My (short) experience of Kahr has really been a nightmare experience that I have no wish to repeat. $700-$1000+ wasted if you include all the ammo!

Range report coming soon!

Interesting - nobody has ever mentioned how stupid you feel at the range standing there holding this little tiny gun that keeps jamming! If that is how my weekend is going to be again then it is also going to be the last time.

Bob

[TheTman]

I hope they get your P380 right this time KahrOwner. After buying a Ruger LC9 and putting over a hundred rounds through it without a hiccup, it has me thinking if I want to keep fooling with Kahrs or get something less finicky. Trouble is no one makes anything as compact as the CW40 and CW45 and that double action trigger is SOOO smooth when the guns are running right.
My first outing with the CW40 was a nightmare, I guess that was my fault for limp wristing it. But the LC9 didn't bat an eye when I limp wristed it far beyond what would have caused the Kahr to jam or not return to battery. Anyway I got the CW40 running well enough that I wanted to try the CW45, (my preferred SD caliber) and it broke on the first outing with a trigger that wouldn't reset. I have to give kudos to Kahr customer service, they had it fixed and back in my hands in a week, and it's been running great as long as I use the 6 round mags and the right ammo. Last Saturday I took the CW45 and tried some +P ammo and it was a jam-o-matic. I was using 185gr Golden Sabre and 230gr Ranger T-series +P and neither would work reliably. Kahr is sending me a new recoil spring in case that was the issue. Then I tried my reliable WWB ammo in some 7 round mags and none of the 3 I had would work worth a damn. Kahr wants me to send the CW45 and the three 7 round mags in, if I can't get them to work. I took them apart and lightly oiled them inside, and made sure the springs were put in correctly before the range trip. They cycle perfectly by hand, but not when firing them. Ian at Kahr said to check for excessive verticle play in the mags, and there is some, but no more than with the 6 round mags. Anyway the round would either get jammed up against the top of the breech, or else they wouldn't get picked up at all. I suppose I'll send it back to Kahr if they'll pick up the shipping if the recoil spring doesn't help. After I get the new spring I think I'll take a camera and take photos to document the problems if I am still having them. You'd expect a $700 .380 to work better than they do. Frustrated, not stupid is what I'd call my feelings when my Kahrs act up.
Anyway I hope they get you fixed up KahrOwner.

[garflys]

Wow to all of you who have sent your guns back 2 and 3 times, and still sticking with them. Kahr should send you guys all new guns, 45s,40s 9s whatever your choice. I sent mine back to Davidsons and got another glock. I still have a sig 238 that has always been great. I hope Kahr sees how loyal you all are and does the right thing.

[KahrOwner]

It is not really loyalty IMO - it is just like you are trying to salvage something useable and reasonably reliable for all your effort, time and $$$$ spent.

Had this not been a handgun (with all the legal buy/sell problems) and been some other equally pricey but faulty item I would just have returned it to the store and gotten something else long ago.

Bob

[harvs12]

Another thumbs up here for the LCP .380, great little gun!

[jocko]

yes

Wow to all of you who have sent your guns back 2 and 3 times, and still sticking with them. Kahr should send you guys all new guns, 45s,40s 9s whatever your choice. I sent mine back to Davidsons and got another glock. I still have a sig 238 that has always been great. I hope Kahr sees how loyal you all are and does the right thing.

indeed some of us kahr owners have indured alot to get our guns right. Also please rememberr the sig 238 was a problem child at first...

[PETE14]

Anyone who relies on a 380 to defend themselves has little/no regard for their safety. At least get a 9mm.

So a .380 is no better than not carrying at all?

A .380 is perfectly acceptable with the right ammo and if you hit what you are shooting. My P380 is the second most accurate gun next to my .44 mag with the 10 inch barrel and scope.

I have a Kahr P380, Kahr MK9, Ruger TCP and a Glock 27 that I carry depending on the situation and every one of them except the MK9 (slight problem but not after the break-in) have given me any problems. I carry depending on the situation.

I respect your comment but disagree with your comment.

[Cokeman]

He came over to the P380 thread to save us all from ourselves. Be nice to him.

[jocko]

I hope they get your P380 right this time KahrOwner. After buying a Ruger LC9 and putting over a hundred rounds through it without a hiccup, it has me thinking if I want to keep fooling with Kahrs or get something less finicky. Trouble is no one makes anything as compact as the CW40 and CW45 and that double action trigger is SOOO smooth when the guns are running right.
My first outing with the CW40 was a nightmare, I guess that was my fault for limp wristing it. But the LC9 didn't bat an eye when I limp wristed it far beyond what would have caused the Kahr to jam or not return to battery. Anyway I got the CW40 running well enough that I wanted to try the CW45, (my preferred SD caliber) and it broke on the first outing with a trigger that wouldn't reset. I have to give kudos to Kahr customer service, they had it fixed and back in my hands in a week, and it's been running great as long as I use the 6 round mags and the right ammo. Last Saturday I took the CW45 and tried some +P ammo and it was a jam-o-matic. I was using 185gr Golden Sabre and 230gr Ranger T-series +P and neither would work reliably. Kahr is sending me a new recoil spring in case that was the issue. Then I tried my reliable WWB ammo in some 7 round mags and none of the 3 I had would work worth a damn. Kahr wants me to send the CW45 and the three 7 round mags in, if I can't get them to work. I took them apart and lightly oiled them inside, and made sure the springs were put in correctly before the range trip. They cycle perfectly by hand, but not when firing them. Ian at Kahr said to check for excessive verticle play in the mags, and there is some, but no more than with the 6 round mags. Anyway the round would either get jammed up against the top of the breech, or else they wouldn't get picked up at all. I suppose I'll send it back to Kahr if they'll pick up the shipping if the recoil spring doesn't help. After I get the new spring I think I'll take a camera and take photos to document the problems if I am still having them. You'd expect a $700 .380 to work better than they do. Frustrated, not stupid is what I'd call my feelings when my Kahrs act up.
Anyway I hope they get you fixed up KahrOwner.

CHECK TO SEE IF YOUR INTERFACE BAR/PICK UP BAR ON THE BOTTOM OF TH ESLIDE HAS A SLIDGHT BEVEL AT THE VERY FRONT OF IT There is a fix for that if not there, I think it was wyn who discovaered it and it is prevelant in the 45 kahrs for some reason over all other calibers. With the mag loaded and the slide locked up, insert and see where that pickup bar is in reliation to that top round....

I think wyn when he reads this can post some photos of what I am talking about

[jocko]

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So a .380 is no better than not carrying at all?

A .380 is perfectly acceptable with the right ammo and if you hit what you are shooting. My P380 is the second most accurate gun next to my .44 mag with the 10 inch barrel and scope.

I have a Kahr P380, Kahr MK9, Ruger TCP and a Glock 27 that I carry depending on the situation and every one of them except the MK9 (slight problem but not after the break-in) have given me any problems. I carry depending on the situation.

I respect your comment but disagree with your comment.

have a 380 owner on this forum who had to fire his gun in self defense. He is alive, the BG is in jail. END OF STORY..

IUf my P380 was as reliable as my PM9 I would indeed carry it more, but my PM9 just fi9ts every place I canput my P380 and I know this gun works and no doubt 9 mm trumps a 380 any day, all day..

Hell of alot of 380's sitting in people pockets that is for sure. Kel tek cut their eye teeth selling the P3AT. In my opinion is a cheap ass gun but it will go bang, it is low in price and they do stand behind it.

[getsome]

Wow, I have been thinking about picking up a p380 as I foolishly traded my perfect Ruger LCP on another gun and I really miss it not to mention back when .380 ammo started to show up again I bought a ton of it and now don't have a .380....

That was my 2nd LCP and both were well under $300.00 and worked flawlessly with anything I put through them....I am currently pocket carrying my PM40 and it has had no problems since day one but sometimes having the LCP made carrying so much easier...Would I take a .380 to a gang fight? No but a .380 in the pocket is perfect for a trip to the grocery store and for the record I have tested several brands of .380 carry ammo and all were very impressive in wet newsprint and would definitely change a BG's mind about bothering you any more....

After reading this thread there is no way I would pay over $700.00 for a p380 that is almost sure to have issues....I think if you pay premo bucks for a Mercedes automobile you shouldn't have to bring it home and pull the heads and fiddle with cam timing or anything else for that matter to get the thing to run right...You expect it to be perfect as a brand new p380 should also be...

There is definitely a problem with the design and QC with this pistol and in my opinion Kahr should just bite the bullet like Ruger did when the LCP first came out and offer a general recall and fix the problems and once they figure out how to do that then transfer that knowledge back to the assembly line and get it done right from the get go as well as do at least a 100 round test fire of every new gun before shipment...If Kahr doesn't do this and correct the situation they may get so much bad blood in the market place to ever recover their good reputation...

There are too many options in the small and less expensive .380 market place that work right out of the box and at this point I wouldn't advise anyone else I know to purchase a P380....Come on Kahr, enough is enough, how about doing the right thing and correcting this on going problem OK!!!!