I use some Hornady TAP FPD and have never had a feed issue with them in my Kahr.
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Ok, call me a noob, but isnt 8 inches of penetration (guard dog) pretty decent considering 8 inches into a BG would hit vital stuff right? I mean you lose the "cutting edges" but you dont run the risk of a clogged hollow point injuring someone else right?NRA Life Member
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Originally posted by PYROhafe View PostOk, call me a noob, but isnt 8 inches of penetration (guard dog) pretty decent considering 8 inches into a BG would hit vital stuff right? I mean you lose the "cutting edges" but you dont run the risk of a clogged hollow point injuring someone else right?
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personally i shoot 124 +p gold dots. there's a local reloader, RAM ammunition who loads up gold dots and sells boxes of 50 for 18 bucks at the gun shows, so it's cheap enough i can afford to train with it. i know, gun show ammo for defensive purposes is iffy... but when you can afford to shoot (and do) thousands of rounds of it, you get to trust it. i've never had any issues with it after roughly 20k rounds.
the gold dots he sells aren't reloaded, he uses new brass for them and the same bullets as speer gold dots. he just packs them himself and sells them cheaper.
his reloaded stuff is 9 bucks for 50.None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. - Goethe
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Originally posted by PYROhafe View PostOk, call me a noob, but isnt 8 inches of penetration (guard dog) pretty decent considering 8 inches into a BG would hit vital stuff right? I mean you lose the "cutting edges" but you dont run the risk of a clogged hollow point injuring someone else right?
Just kidding. It's a reasonable question.
8" of penetration for a face to face midsection hit, on a stationary target, without contacting any bones or other barriers will likely go into the vitals of a normal human.
It is unlikely the target will present themselves in such a manner. I'm a relatively skinny dude, and my chest is about 10" deep, 12" collarbone to sternum, and 15" side to side. Throw in a few ice creams and big macs, or perhaps weekly weightlifting, and that could go up 3 or 4 inches pretty easily.
In other words, if you consider the likely scenario of angled trajectories, bones, fat or muscular antagonists, heavy clothing, etc most "studies" suggest that about 12" of penetration is pretty good for most situations.
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Originally posted by entoptics View PostNOOOB!!!!!
Just kidding. It's a reasonable question.
8" of penetration for a face to face midsection hit, on a stationary target, without contacting any bones or other barriers will likely go into the vitals of a normal human.
It is unlikely the target will present themselves in such a manner. I'm a relatively skinny dude, and my chest is about 10" deep, 12" collarbone to sternum, and 15" side to side. Throw in a few ice creams and big macs, or perhaps weekly weightlifting, and that could go up 3 or 4 inches pretty easily.
In other words, if you consider the likely scenario of angled trajectories, bones, fat or muscular antagonists, heavy clothing, etc most "studies" suggest that about 12" of penetration is pretty good for most situations.
I did some wet pak test here and the penetration results aren't the true results, you need to use a formula that I forgot, to convert them to ballistic gelatin results that the FBI uses. I know that the true results of my tests are acceptable
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11851
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Originally posted by Indigo View Post
Anyone try these? For $17.50 per 50 rounds I've stocked up quite a few. At 1300 fps they are sneaking up on .40 S&W without near the snap. Not that you should shoot them all day long but when it counts the numbers are there.
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