PM9 doesn't shoot straight

[b4uqzme]

I don't remember who it was here, but they got a barrel without any rifling. Also I recall someone else had the crown of the barrel off center. So there is a SMALL chance it could possibly be the gun.

I am accurate with my CW9, but I am still trying to get used to my PM9. At 10 yards, I have no prob with 10" groups, but my CW9 is much tighter than that. I believe my problem is the combination of the shorter sight radius and the pinky hanging below the grip. And the long trigger pull too.

I found that when I used the pad of my trigger finger, I actually introduced side movement. The grip is so small that my hand had some muscle tension just trying to hold my finger pad on the trigger. Dry fire (with a laser) and watch for smear wild experimenting with your grip and trigger finger placement. I believe that it is more important to have a relaxed trigger hand than to have the pad of your finger on the trigger. Some well known shooting experts have also said that it is acceptable or even better to put the trigger at or near your first knuckle on double action guns. Look it up. My point is that there is no "one way" it must be done. experiment and find what is best and most comfortable for you and your hands (everyone is different). Anyway, it definitely works for me with my CW9 and hopefully soon for my PM9.

I received some training from a revolver expert. He strongly encouraged me to use the first finger joint vs. the finger pad just like you would for a da revolver. It has made a tremendous difference/improvement. Makes sense. I've heard many describe the Kahr trigger "like a long, smooth revolver pull".

[muggsy]

When I'm on I'll keep all of my shots within a 3" circle at 21' with my CM9. Find someone with Kahr experience to shoot the gun for you, or shoot it from a machine rest. You'll know in a heartbeat if it's you or the gun. My money's on you. Kahr makes one of the most accurate compact concealed carry pistols available.

[KKing]

PM9 doesn't shoot straight

wtim:

Not if you can continue to improve and gain confidence.

Look at this video to be enlightened to the capabilities of this weapon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Av9COfLB_Y

-steve

Call me crazy, but he never shoots the PM9 at the gong, only the Ruger. I have no doubt he could do it though since I've seen him make 200 yard shots with one of his Glocks

wtim, my money would be on your problem being your capability. I learned I was no good past 7 yards with my Kahr but yet I could pick my glock 19 up and be in a 6" group at 20 yards. The Kahr platform takes a lot of getting used to in my opinion

[jocko]

quote I don't remember who it was here, but they got a barrel without any rifling. Also I recall someone else had the crown of the barrel off center. So there is a SMALL chance it could possibly be the gun.
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both would be visible to the naked eye if this was thge case

[Bawanna]

You might recall in a previous life the MK9 that we recovered from the bottom of Puget Sound after 45 days or so. I cleaned it up real good and sent it to Kahr who replace all the springs and looked it all over, put it in a new factory box with 2 new mags and returned it. (No Charge)

Nobody could hit anything with it at all. I looked it over carefully and didn't see anything wrong.
I really scrutinized the barrel and it looked fine.

I finely gave up and called Kahr and asked to purchase a barrel. I can't remember the name of the lady but may here knew her. She told me I didn't need to buy a barrel as they were warrantied for life. I even told her about the salt water and she still sent me one.

Before this I took it out and I could not hit a paper plate at 3 yards. Honest. I held way right and finally winged it on the left edge. I though ah hah, I got it, held in the same spot and couldn't hit it again. I held way left and winged it on the right, just nothing consistent.

With the new barrel it's a tack driver, incredibly accurate.

I think the edges of the polygonal rifling corroded enough that it was just not grabbing the bullet or putting a good spin or something.

I guess if it was me I'd go with the flow and see if you improve but if not contact kahr and send it back. Maybe there's something just a tad off on that barrel.

[wtim]

Thanks for all the good advice! I really appreciate it. The issue with where to place my index finger was actually the opposite of what a few of you are saying. When I shot the gun with the joint of my index finger I was hitting low and to the left consistently. After an internet search I discovered the recommendation of using the pad of my finger instead was an improvement.

Now that I look back I was shooting ok groupings when using the first joint of my finger just off target...

OK. I need to practice squared. It's me not the gun. :P

[CJB]

I have competed well in the bullseye circles with .45 Govt model and Ruger Mark I - both highly reworked. Not to brag, but I was doing in the 270 range (of 300) with about 10 X's. Thats not real top shooting, but not bad either - considering the X ring is 1-5/8 inches and you're shooting one hand, standing, at 25 yards with iron sights.

All that flew out the window with Kahr. I had the major letdown too. I had to relearn things, develop new methods and muscle memory. Shooting a Kahr after bullseye is ... not easy. I'm still not great with my Kahr's but I can shoot them quickly, and with adequate defensive accuracy at defensive distances on defensive sized targets. I can hit an 18x30 inch rectangle at 7 yards, close to its center, very easily. Still have fliers, still have flinches. I'm still workin' on it.

Keep the faith... you're not alone.

Hint - don't try to shoot the gun like its got a heavy single action trigger. Shoot it like a double action revolver. When you stop trying to be perfect but just try placing the bullet holes close to where you want them to be....you'll start to do better.

[wtim]

The other thing I just remembered now that you mention treating it like a revolver is that the same time my son tried the Kahr he had also rented a S&W .357 mag with a 4 inch barrel. We could shoot that accurately enough albeit only using .38 special ammo as that's all the range had. And I was shooting that in DAO 'cause I wanted to try without cocking the hammer. That had a nice trigger pull!

[Chuck54]

For what it's worth I find that when I shoot my Kahr pistols I shoot better using the first joint and use a smooth continuous stroke until it fires. I have tried using a very slow stroke to shoot smaller groups and that does not work for me.

[muggsy]

Here's another method you might try.

http://www.youtube.com/user/flicksgu...11/zKdXmcdB5WE

[wtim]

Good video.... I'll have to watch my index finger....

[sharpenit]

Hello!

New to the forum. Like the title says I have a PM9 that I bought right after Christmas that doesn't shoot straight. I have over 400 rounds through it and after the break-in period it's fired every time. Unfortunately I can't ever hit the target in the same spot with any regularity. I thought I was an awful shot with this little gun so I bought a Crimson Trace laser sight to help. No good. Even my friends and my son can't shoot this gun accurately so I think I can say it's not me. I love it for it's concealability but I'd like to be a little more accurate with it. Do you think it's something about the gun itself or are we all holding it incorrectly?

Any ideas?

What ammo are you shooting? And if you're using different makes, do you have the same problem with all of them?

I have mostly shot PMC 115-grain and Blazer Brass 115-grain and 124-grain and found the pistol very accurate. But one day I tried a box of 147-grain American Eagle with flat top bullets and the pattern was all over the target, just completely random and uncontrollable, despite checking my grip, trigger pull and flinch. It was like I was shooting a blunderbuss.

[wtim]

I'm using a variety of ammunition. After everything that's said I think it's me and a need to hit the range with my PM9 as often as I can.

[jocko]

just keep shootin. I use ther FBI ":Q" bolwling pin type silhouette. Its a big target, meant to be human torso, keep um allin there, forget about the groups sh!t. try hard but again forget about it. Keep um allin that target and ur good to go for defense, when you wnato hit beer cans at 25 yards, BUT ANUTTER GUN FOR THAT..

[RRP]

I'm using a variety of ammunition. After everything that's said I think it's me and a need to hit the range with my PM9 as often as I can.

Hey, we've all been through it. These tiny pistols take some work. But mastering them is part of the fun.

Ammo is expensive and hard to find. You'll be amazed at how much you can improve your technique simply by dry-fire exercises. Practice pulling the trigger straight back for a clean, crisp break. The goal is not to deviate from the sight picture while you pull the trigger.

When you can pull the trigger, without changing the sight picture, you'll be able to hit your target consistently. It won't take you long to achieve this with some dry-fire practice.

Enjoy the training. Come back and tell us how you're progressing.