For those that had followers break, how many rounds before they broke?

[Schriscoe]

For those that had followers break, how many rounds before they broke?

Just received a new follower from Kahr today. Will give it a whirl and post results.

[SaltyNC]

I haven't followed this as closely as I probably should, but I am more and more leaning toward getting a CM9 or PM9. I had my eye exclusively on an XDS 9, but hanging around here has corrupted me.

So, it sounds like the feed ramp is smashing into the plastic follower. And, does it do this with the PM9, too? Has it always done this with all CM9's and perhaps the plastic is inferior in this recent batch of broken followers and just can't take the impact?

If taking off some plastic solves the issue, it makes you wonder if Kahr is already working on a mould for a new modified follower.

SaltyNC

[Schriscoe]

For those that had followers break, how many rounds before they broke?

I haven't followed this as closely as I probably should, but I am more and more leaning toward getting a CM9 or PM9. I had my eye exclusively on an XDS 9, but hanging around here has corrupted me.



So, it sounds like the feed ramp is smashing into the plastic follower. And, does it do this with the PM9, too? Has it always done this with all CM9's and perhaps the plastic is inferior in this recent batch of broken followers and just can't take the impact?



If taking off some plastic solves the issue, it makes you wonder if Kahr is already working on a mould for a new modified follower.



SaltyNC

I don't think the follower should contact the ramp. Or at least I can't imagine it was designed that way. I'd suggest you shoot both the Kahr and xds. I own the xds 45 in addition to the cm9. Biggest difference is that the xds 9 holds 1 more standard and weighs about 6 ounces more.

[garyb]

My followers don't hit the feed ramp and I have yet to break one on any of my mags. They don't need much clearance, as long as they have clearance. If they are hitting your feed ramp, followers could be expected to break at any point...depending on the amount of contact they make. Think about it. I can only suspect (I am not an expert) that the harder they hit the ramp, the more likely they will break quicker.


As for taking down the follower, I'd think it would be much easier to reduce one feed ramp than all your followers. JMO.

[dkmatthews]

Which one is out of spec? The follower or the feed ramp?

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[S281]

I had a bit over 1000 rounds before mine broke one. I actually chose to do the rampectomy solution myself with a dremel. I made sure it was clearing it and shot 400 rounds through it today. Flawless and very accurate from 15 yards. I was very happy with it. Shot 3 diff brand ammo including my Ranger 147gr HP that i carry.

[SaltyNC]

So, this is something we should be able to tell before we buy a CM9, correct? If we hand rack the slide and see that the feed ramp is making contact with the follower, we could either make a decision to purchase and Dremel the feed ramp or follower, or pass on it. Is my thinking correct?

SaltyNC

[Tilos]

I found both the followers for my 6 round 9mm mags to be broken a few days ago. I have about 800 rounds through my CM9.

However, I think I have found a relatively simple solution to the broken followers, that doesn't involve a rampectomy. (Two of my mags have broken followers; Kahr is going to send me replacements.)

If you examine the follower, you'll see there is a lip on the polymer at the front of it that is pretty sharp and abrupt.

What I just did was take the mag apart, and using a dremel drum sander removed that lip so it's now a smooth slope. It wasn't necessary to remove all that much of the follower.

Take a look at the pics to see what it looks like.









When I put the mag in, it doesn't come anywhere close to the ramp any more.

Thanks for the pics and fix
A much smaller gamble to mod the follower instead of the barrel, before playing phone/email tag with Kahr for a return for repair
Ken

[Tilos]

With all the Whine Festival threads this is a refreshing change.
Anger towards Kahr does not help anything and just clouds the ability to think thru a problem.
Fixes like Bang_button has deveoped could never come about thru anger/piling-on/or the name calling that's been the norm around here of late.
Thanks again Bang_button, you have just solved a long ongoing problem with Kahr pistols that may lead to a follower redesign...lets hope
Ken

[Schriscoe]

For those that had followers break, how many rounds before they broke?

With all the Whine Festival threads this is a refreshing change.
Anger towards Kahr does not help anything and just clouds the ability to think thru a problem.
Fixes like Bang_button has deveoped could never come about thru anger/piling-on/or the name calling that's been the norm around here of late.
Thanks again Bang_button, you have just solved a long ongoing problem with Kahr pistols that may lead to a follower redesign...lets hope
Ken

Not sure I've seen what I'd call anger OR name calling. I've been posting a bit here lately while trying to get my cm9 wrung out, and there are a few others having similar issues. Everyone certainly has a right to an opinion. It's sharing problems when they occur that can shine a light and hopefully lead to a solution, whether it's an issue with the product or the service. My opinion is that some of the longer tenured posters don't really want to hear it.

Most are familiar with the xds recall. The guy that got it all started posted about his issues on xdtalk. Some folks didn't want to hear it when he shared info about his gun going full auto upon slide release. Or it was somehow the poster's fault. Well, it was critical info and got the ball rolling. I'm not happy that my gun is still at Springfield, but I'll survive. I'm just saying maybe don't judge so harshly the sharing of info. Of course, no whining allowed!

[Tilos]

I understand how you could feel that way.
The locked threads quickly fall off the "New Posts" page and the banned whiners can't start new threads, they just go over to THR forum to continue the whine, so maybe you missed what I'm refering to.

Kahr's have been breaking followers off and on for a long time, with the problems worked thru everytime by the factory, like adding the steel pin in the follower, where it hits the slide lock.
Todays business enviroment dosen't have people sitting around waiting for the phone to ring, with most matters best handled with a detailed email with pics of problems.
Yet everyday the whiners post here about how long they waited for someone to answer the phone at Kahr.
Try a phone order, rather than ordering on line, for anything and see how long it takes and how much mis-information is exchanged.
I have no knowledge or interest in any xds recall, but believe someone from Kahr reads what's posted here.
Ken

[Bang_button]

It's not all that easy to see it just when racking the slide. Ideally, you should field strip the slide, and put the barrel back in position in the frame, with the slide stop pin reinstalled. Then push an empty magazine up into the frame and see if the follower contacts the feed ramp. If it does, you'll see the barrel move. It will be very easy to see how in time that follower will probably break. I don't know that a dealer would want to see you do all this, unless you're very proficient with your field stripping and he can see you know this inside and out, and that this is all old hat to you, and you're checking for a very obvious problem. My 2 cents worth.

So, this is something we should be able to tell before we buy a CM9, correct? If we hand rack the slide and see that the feed ramp is making contact with the follower, we could either make a decision to purchase and Dremel the feed ramp or follower, or pass on it. Is my thinking correct?

SaltyNC

[Bang_button]

Exactly.

Thanks for the pics and fix
A much smaller gamble to mod the follower instead of the barrel, before playing phone/email tag with Kahr for a return for repair
Ken

[Bang_button]

You're very welcome, Tilos. Glad to be of help.

With all the Whine Festival threads this is a refreshing change.
Anger towards Kahr does not help anything and just clouds the ability to think thru a problem.
Fixes like Bang_button has deveoped could never come about thru anger/piling-on/or the name calling that's been the norm around here of late.
Thanks again Bang_button, you have just solved a long ongoing problem with Kahr pistols that may lead to a follower redesign...lets hope
Ken

[modraker]

I've only put about 500 rounds through my CM9, so I was wondering for those that had followers break, about how many rounds before they broke?


TIA!

I took my brand new CM9 for the 200 round break in session. There were no problems whatsoever. When I got home, the front section of the magazine follower came off as I was cleaning it.