For those that had followers break, how many rounds before they broke?

[jocko]

codegeek. nice post and IMO u are so right. Ur always gonna read on compl,aints on any forum be it cars, guuns kcycles, appliances.

I am not defendng kahr or any maker of anything. That is what we have warranties for to. Naturally it is neer good when it happens to u the owner,but again the workd CHRONIC IMO is way way out of order. Just sayin

[Tundra5.7]

Unless you have statistical evidence to support your claim of "chronic", I certainly wouldn't be making that statement, otherwise you come across as someone with an agenda like this MBLS5000 guy.

In any manufacturing process you are going to have issues. Unfortunately, Kahr is the only one that knows what the percentage is and what size the problem is. Their attitude indicates they are willing to deal with this as a post sale issue.

Fortunately, a lot of the people that have issues show up here where we are able to help them.

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I promise you and everyone else on the forum I don't have an agenda. I love my CM9 and I am considering buying another Kahr in the future. I really like the looks of the CT45!

You are correct on my use of the term "chronic." I should not have quoted that for two reasons. First, I don't have any statistics to back it up and second, the term would be too hard to define assuming I did have statistics. My bet is though, Kahr feels it happens frequently enough for them to address it in the manner they do.

My experience with Kahr pistols is limited. A good friend had problems with FTF's on a PM40 that went back to Kahr 2 times before it was fixed. He lost confidence in the pistol and sold it. My CM9 has fired 100% of the time, even when using magazines with broken followers. From the looks of it, Kahr fixed my pistol right.

It looks to me like Kahr would want to fix this problem...regardless of how big or small it is.....before they send it out. I figure they spent $200 or more on my CM9, when you calculate labor, overnight shipping both ways and 4 new followers.

[MBSL500]

Unless you have statistical evidence to support your claim of "chronic", I certainly wouldn't be making that statement, otherwise you come across as someone with an agenda like this MBLS5000 guy.

In any manufacturing process you are going to have issues. Unfortunately, Kahr is the only one that knows what the percentage is and what size the problem is. Their attitude indicates they are willing to deal with this as a post sale issue.

Fortunately, a lot of the people that have issues show up here where we are able to help them.

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Please, stop with the "agenda" nonsense.

I own a CM9. In fact it's sitting next to me as I type this.
Because I posted exactly what I was told by Kahr customer service .. I have an agenda?
Because I have read post after post of modifications some people have had to do to make their gun function properly... and I have commented on those posts.... I have an agenda?

If what people read on this forum represents even a *small* sample of customers who have sent their gun back to Kahr to have their barrel shaved down in order to function properly, it is safe to assume that the company knows darned well that that they are sending guns out the door that shouldn't be.
It is not a kit gun and should not need to be modified in any way to function as their costumers expected it to when they pull out their cash.

I was told the follower problem was "people are over-buffering (limp wristing) when they shoot".
So, according to the rep, your gun isn't defective, you just don't know how to shoot it.
That comment (made by a Kahr Customer Service Rep.) should offend anyone who has had to send their gun back to have the barrel shaved.

And the word "chronic" was used correctly.
"Chronic is not based on *amount*.
It is based on "duration" and "recurrence".
If followers were cracking due an interference problem in guns made in 2009 or 2010 or 2012....and followers continue to crack on guns manufactured today, that my friend is a "chronic" problem.
It doesn't matter if it affects 50% of the guns or 5% of the guns being made.

If and when Kahr admits that it is *their* problem and not the fault of the shooter, and when the problem is fixed, I will be the first to say "Job well done Kahr, you did good".

If this offends some of you because I see a problem that has not been resolved, I'm sorry.

[Schriscoe]

For those that had followers break, how many rounds before they broke?

I've tried to tell some of these folks they have quite the reputation on other boards. They don't seem to care. So at the risk of being labeled negative here's my post rampectomy range report.

The good news. No broken followers, 65 rounds. The bad? See the pic, I think my gun won't handle rounds pushing the overall length limits. Tried wwb 147 again, this happened right away.



One premature slide lock with 115 Fmj. I'm not putting too much stock into that. I just think my imperfect little beast is finicky, and I shall stick to carry ammo like hornady 115 crop that it cycles well.

[codegeek]

Re: For those that had followers break, how many rounds before they broke?

I wasn't suggesting you have an agenda, Tundra5.7. You have/had a problem that you deserved to be corrected. We all would like to see these problems fixed.

The problem is people like MBls5010 who has to jump on every thread saying the same thing, and then thinking he is telling us all something we don't already know.

And then there's that whole thing about "duration" and "reoccurence" not having anything to do with statistics.

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[kahrnut1]

i'm 71 yrs old if i shoot 25 rounds in my pm40 i do not break followers. if i start shooting 50 + rounds i better really consontrate on grip or i will break occasional follower. maybe 1 in 2 or 3 hundred rounds. the guy at factory told me several yrs ago they would pay to return it or send me some followers. the gun performs if i grip it right or they can make it perform when i shoot it bad. why not learn to shoot it right. theres nothing wrong with using hand strenghtening devises to build up your grip. my 2 cents worth

[Bang_button]

i'm 71 yrs old if i shoot 25 rounds in my pm40 i do not break followers. if i start shooting 50 + rounds i better really consontrate on grip or i will break occasional follower. maybe 1 in 2 or 3 hundred rounds. the guy at factory told me several yrs ago they would pay to return it or send me some followers. the gun performs if i grip it right or they can make it perform when i shoot it bad. why not learn to shoot it right. theres nothing wrong with using hand strenghtening devises to build up your grip. my 2 cents worth

I've done the hand strengthening stuff you mention. "Captains of Crush" is what I use. I am up to to the 200# ones. Can't do it, not a chance. 150#, yes.

My grip is OK.

The follower problem, IMHO, is not a grip strength issue. It's a clearance issue.

[Tundra5.7]

i'm 71 yrs old if i shoot 25 rounds in my pm40 i do not break followers. if i start shooting 50 + rounds i better really consontrate on grip or i will break occasional follower. maybe 1 in 2 or 3 hundred rounds. the guy at factory told me several yrs ago they would pay to return it or send me some followers. the gun performs if i grip it right or they can make it perform when i shoot it bad. why not learn to shoot it right. theres nothing wrong with using hand strenghtening devises to build up your grip. my 2 cents worth

On my particular CM9 the bottom of the feed ramp and magazine follower touched each other when the darn slide was locked back. It was simply out of spec. I can only imagine how much contact there was under recoil.

I'm certainly not an engineer but it looks to me like a firmer grip would break more followers under recoil. I have seen guys break stocks on heavy recoiling rifles before when they put them in "Lead Sleds." I'm not sure I buy that excuse from Kahr unless someone can explain that one.

[kahrnut1]

i'm not going to argue with u what u r saying sounds right. i cannot tell u if mine touches or does not touch but since i had talk with factory i broke 1 and that was after a whole bunch of 1911 rounds and 9mm pm9 and then 50 rounds through pm40 getting tired.

[kahrlwallace]

I noticed cracking after 100 rds.

[rbishopp]

I've put about 300 or so rounds and found a broken follower today.

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Is this what others are experiencing ? Not sure when it happened so it appears the mag still functions properly.

[RonW]

I may have to order a new follower from Kahr. I noticed on the mag that came with my CW40 there is a metal tab on the follower than engages the slide release is protruding out a little bit more than it should and is binding up the magazine when loading, it functions fine otherwise. I grabbed my wife's nail file & ground it down a bit but the perfectionist in me says nah, get a new one.... The replacement factory mag I got from Cabela's is fine..

[rbishopp]

I just sent a email to service@kahr.com and they got right back to me. A new follower is on the way. Took 10 minutes. They did say if another breaks I'll have send everything in. Hmm I hope it doesn't come to that.

[RonW]

I just sent a email to service@kahr.com and they got right back to me. A new follower is on the way. Took 10 minutes. They did say if another breaks I'll have send everything in. Hmm I hope it doesn't come to that.

I just sent them a email regarding the metal tab sticking out on my follower.

[kcarr65]

I don't want to sound stupid but can someone post a pic of a good and a bad follower please?