New PM9 broke after 25 rounds--update--CS A+ on fix

[Atilla]

I've had a MK9 for about a year, put 500+ rounds through it and outside of the basic "kahr" idiosyncrasies, has never messed up. had some slide lock issues (my thumb), and chambering problems on first round (need to snap the slide fast). I like it and carry it when the M&P is too big. The MK9 is a bit heavy, so I finally got my hands on a PM9 yesterday.

I field stripped it, checked the mags, everything seemed fine, just like my MK9. I go to the range today and after 25 rounds of WWB, failure to fire. Tap, rack slide....still FTF. The trigger feels funny, like it's doing nothing. When I rack the slide it 'seems' to be cocking the striker. It will not field strip, the pin removes just fine but the slide is 'stuck' and will not move forward. I imagine a trigger bar or lever is just not doing it's job.

I filled out the Return form on Kahr's website already, this it total BS as far as I'm concerned. Searching the internet or these forums it's AMAZING how many issues there are with Kahrs compared to any quality gun manufacturer.

[f44life]

Are you absolutely sure you put it back together right? Especially when you re insert the slide stop pin?

How old is this kahr you bought? a brand new one or a 4 year old one collecting dust?

[Atilla]

If it goes back together just like the CW9, yes I am sure. It was about 6 months old unfired. Like anyone with a Sig or S&W or Glock would need to ask how old it was. My Sig P239 is well over 10,000 rounds and never a hiccup. I think I may part ways with Kahr once this is fixed. I do wish a reliable small 9mm was available. The Mk9 has done well so far, but I never feel it's as reliable as a revolver or M&P or Sig.

[RogerP9fan]

This is an abberation which I don't understand. Kahr is most definately a quality gun maker that is reliable.

Perhaps one of the more senior members will take this one on and attempt to define what happened to defend our much loved carry partners.

Really makes one wonder about those first six months. Somebody owned it and didn't know anything about firearms while field stripping it and broke it?

This is not the Sat. night special or KT forum where we hear of things like this very often.

[Bawanna]

I suspect a faulty trigger bar or trigger bar spring. This could disable the trigger so it won't drop the striker to release the slide like normal.
While it is an awful thing I suspect it will have to go back to Kahr for a look see. They will make it right and most likely in a timely fashion.

This of course will do nothing to improve your confidence in Kahr products and if your confident and content with your Sig's and Glocks as you should be, they are fine weapons, perhaps parting ways with your Kahr is the right thing.
Given time I suspect you would really like it but that option of course is totally up to you.

[RogerP9fan]

I suspect a faulty trigger bar or trigger bar spring. This could disable the trigger so it won't drop the striker to release the slide like normal.
While it is an awful thing I suspect it will have to go back to Kahr for a look see. They will make it right and most likely in a timely fashion.

This of course will do nothing to improve your confidence in Kahr products and if your confident and content with your Sig's and Glocks as you should be, they are fine weapons, perhaps parting ways with your Kahr is the right thing.
Given time I suspect you would really like it but that option of course is totally up to you.

Although we heard of this problem with another member recently....would you say this is pretty rare?

[Bawanna]

Without solid statistics I don't know that I would call it rare. We've heard of it several times, many times we don't hear back from the poster to find if it really was a trigger bar or not. Also often times the work order will be something like replaced this and that and several other things test fired ok.
Not a crystal clear diagnosis.
I would say there are far more that don't have issues than do. By this forums very nature as we've said before lots of times, we hear about the broken ones. Far more bad than good.
Not visiting any of the other forums I'm not sure if they hear lots of bad stuff about their respective brands too or not. I've never had any issues with any others and I've not had to send any kahrs back for anything that was their fault.

[GOOFA]

Atilla... I know you stated it was 6 months old and never shot. How do you know that? Did you by this from an individual or from a dealer, and if from a dealer was it used but LNIB or sold as used but NIB. I'm curious as to whether it had a previous owner or if it came from the dealers distributor? I've seen more than my share of individuals buying a brand new gun, never reading the instructions, going to the range, not working, PO'd, trying to do their own repair/diagnosis, screwing up the gun even more and than try to sell it as new, never shot at a discount. Then the new owner takes it out on the manufacturer because his new gun is broken and gets more PO'd when he finds out the cost to ship it and fix it because he has no warranty. Warranty only to original owner for most firearms.

[joje]

"This is not the Sat. night special or KT forum"

current production keltecs are no worse reliability wise than the next pocket pistol. sure, they're not glock reliable but neither are kahr or any other ultra compact that i know of.

[joshh]

can be a bad apple in any bunch. i recently bought a ruger 10/22 which is arguably the most used 22 in the world and is renowned for its reliability. mine was bad out of the box. had to do a full takedown and reassemble with some "cleaning up" of poorly tooled parts. it runs better now but i ordered a bunch of aftermarket parts to hopefully improve its performance. my MA compliant pm9 is a much more complicated piece and thankfully has been flawless from day 1. hope your problem gets resolved. if you dont want it, i'm sure you could sell it.

[f44life]

I think the forum moderator needs to make a section just for problems or complaints about the pm9 or other kahr guns....because most of what you hear is negative and almost pulled me away from buying one....but i love mine and im glad i did.

[Bawanna]

I think that was pretty much the plan having an area for each specific model. Since we're more or less all here to help each other, aggrevate and occasionally slander each other I think things are probably ok.
Theres alot of commonality amongst the various models so the cure for one model will more than likely cure the others. The steel guns are slightly different from the tupperware but still the same concept.
I'd like to think the techs at Kahr may someday come here for answers. Scarey when you think about it.

[RogerP9fan]

It wasn't my objective to offend any potential KT owners who may be members here, If I did I apologize. However, in my brief time in their forum the horror stories I heard, I could do nothing but run like a bat out of he11...I thank Jesus everyday I discovered Kahr.

[Bawanna]

Personally I can't think of any way to offend a KT owner anymore than they have offended themselves just by being a KT owner.
While I certainly don't look down my nose at them and feel there is a place for them for those who can't afford anything better or just love guns with no asthethic attributes (some guys like fat chicks).
To me I'd go back to edged weapons or bow and arrow before a KT but then some think I'm weird. Actually I am weird and should be committed. But where? Perhaps the other side of the sod. Perhaps to Jlotts one way bus to he!!.
If nothing else this post ought to maybe liven things up a bit this afternoon (I'm fallin asleep here) and bring on an onslaught of flaming arrows aimed at yours truly. Perhaps I've found my calling? A target for flaming arrows

[f44life]

How many places are there to hide a Kel-Tec on a Fat Chick ?

armpits 2

belly under fat 3

one in each back fat roll 2

two in but cheeks 2

9 or 10 keltecs