PM9 Any Changes 2006 & 2011

[MBFD]

I bought a used 2006 PM9. It looked so new that I didn't ask the question of what year it was made until after I bought it. Dealer told me that their have been NO changes between the 2006 and the 2011 models.
True?

Since I'm not the original owner do I have any warranty still available?

[E the B]

Not true. The 2011 version is reportedly 1/8 inch longer and the slide is chamfered at the forward end to ease holster insertion. I can't speak to the internals, but someone surely will.

That said, it's debateable whether this change is a true improvement. If the PM9 looks new and you got a good price, I'd roll with it!

[MBFD]

$460 W/box, 7 rd mag,6 rd mag, trigger lock, manual

[Dietrich]

Never fear,MBFD.I`ve sent a PM to my man Jocko.He knows a ton about these guns and will be more than willing to share his knowledge with you.

[MBFD]

Thanks

[jocko]

I am going to bet your pM9 has the blunt nose version of the slide, where as today the new model PM9 has the longer slide. I will also bet that your recoil assembly has the smaller washer type flat end of which probalby measures 3/8", which sometime in 07-08 they went to the 1/2" flat washer back portion of the recoil assembly. Both will work fine in ur gun, Why they made this change I think was that some of the recoil springs was riding over that 3/8" flatr end and the 1/2" took care of that little issue. Internals, back then you had the polymer magazine catch button, they again made a change to a MIM magazine button around 08-09. Again your can replace your polymer button with the MIM part and it will fit perfect. My thoughts are to, if this magazine release button is OK, then don't fokk with it.

Now what you can do that the new belevled slide owners cannot do is that you can go to wolffs gunsprings and just order the outter recoil spring for ur PM9 in the factory weight of 18# or the little stronger (which I recommend) 20.5# recoil spring. Order a 3 pak, saves money with postage etc. You have a forged slide lock lever but later versions kahr started to taper the end of the slidelock lever to cosmeticaly make it look nicer and supposably could help with some of the shooters who occasionaly hit the slide lock lever with their thumb and then pre engaging the slide lock lever. IMO it was all for cosmetic reasons and little value other than that.

IMO and this is just my opinion,,,, I have the blunt nose version PM9 like yours and I would not trade mine for 3 new version PM9 with the beveled slides which are longer and for right now also, YOU CANNOT BUY RECOILS SPRNGS FROM WOLFFS for it either. and also kahr now only sells the comeplte recoil assembly for all the new style slides, and old style slides,,, which is IMO a total rip off, as that all that is needed is the outter recoil spring to be replaced every 1500-2000 rounds.

Go to gunsprings.com and order a 3 Pak of PM9 recoil springs and while ur at it, order a 3 pakd of 5% extra strength magazinhe springs for your 6 round magazine and if u really want to tune up the pM9 order their 5# striker spring. It just drops right in and will not change trigger travel of 3/8" but will change trigger poundage downt o 5#. Really makes a nice neat set up..

Thanks Deit for the heads up on this !!

[MBFD]

The PM is on hold for four more days. So I can't look to see about the washer, mag release and spring.
Is the 1/2 washer something I can do?
Will there be evidence of it riding over?
Should I change it no matter?
If so, where do I get it?

All of those springs are a cheap t-up and I will get them.
Do I need a new Wolf guide rod as well?
Do I have a warranty?
Is $460 a good price?
It came with everything inc Kahr pocket holster (for sale).

I had a law enforcement priced new PM9 for $560 waiting and was just waiting for my credit card to cool off from my last purchase, G26.
I had just finished 3 hours of shooting with friends and was ready to go. They helped me make my decision. I don't usually rush into buying. But buying used means it might be gone tomorrow.

Thanks for your input Jocko.

[Bawanna]

The PM is on hold for four more days. So I can't look to see about the washer, mag release and spring.
Is the 1/2 washer something I can do?
Will there be evidence of it riding over?
Should I change it no matter?
If so, where do I get it?

All of those springs are a cheap t-up and I will get them.
Do I need a new Wolf guide rod as well?
Do I have a warranty?
Is $460 a good price?
It came with everything inc Kahr pocket holster (for sale).

I had a law enforcement priced new PM9 for $560 waiting and was just waiting for my credit card to cool off from my last purchase, G26.
I had just finished 3 hours of shooting with friends and was ready to go. They helped me make my decision. I don't usually rush into buying. But buying used means it might be gone tomorrow.

Thanks for your input Jocko.

You can swap the washer, it's actually part of the guide rod. Easy. You can shoot it to see if it works and if it does, dont worry about it. Or order one from Kahr and you'll get the new 1/2" style.
You have no warranty but most likely you won't need it anyhow. Don't sweat that. I think it's a good price if it's in decent shape as you describe.
Won't hurt to put a recoil spring in it since you don't know it's history. If it does have the plastic mag release you can make the call weather to swap it out or not. Again it may work fine as is. If not get it from Kahr with a guiderod if you have the smaller 3/8" washer.

[jocko]

The PM is on hold for four more days. So I can't look to see about the washer, mag release and spring.
Is the 1/2 washer something I can do?
Will there be evidence of it riding over?
Should I change it no matter?
If so, where do I get it?

All of those springs are a cheap t-up and I will get them.
Do I need a new Wolf guide rod as well?
Do I have a warranty?
Is $460 a good price?
It came with everything inc Kahr pocket holster (for sale).

I had a law enforcement priced new PM9 for $560 waiting and was just waiting for my credit card to cool off from my last purchase, G26.
I had just finished 3 hours of shooting with friends and was ready to go. They helped me make my decision. I don't usually rush into buying. But buying used means it might be gone tomorrow.

Thanks for your input Jocko.

the price is right.

the recoil rod, if it has the 3/8" back flat end on it, is OK, If you buy a new recoil assembly u will get the 1/2" size, but if it was mine I would shoot it with what is in there, quite possably it could by now have that 1/2" recoil assebly inh it. either way it is jo problem. I never had ever any troubles withy my 3/8" old style but when I did order a new recoil assembly it was the 1/2 new style, so my opinion.: If it ain't broke don't fix it. all parts u order from kahr, just go to their webb site and order the complete assembly, if u feel better about it, I think the cost is $24 for the complete recoil set. The recoil rod will last forever. Wolffs makes no recoil rod for the PM9, , no one does. Kahrs are the best, stick with them for sure.

You basically have no warranty as the gun is 5 years old or close to it. KAHRS warranty is 5 years.. Again u need to check to see if you have (and I know you do) the blunt noxe version PM9, as I told you, IMO that is the best gun for it is smaller than the new style PM9 with the extended beveled slide, which I never did understand why they even did this change. If you order a new recoil assembly from kahr, u will need to tell them yolu have the old style slide so that they send you the correct recoil assembly, If you have the blunt nose version slide, that outter spring should have 13 coils where as the new style now has 15 coils and it will not work in your gun. REMEMBER THAT.

The only springs u need for ur used kahr is the recoil spring and like I told you earlier, if you have the blunt nose slide, then just order the outter springs from wolfffs gunsprings in the factory wieight of 18# or the little stronger version of 20.5#. Even if you have the 3/8 size recoil assembly those wolffs springs will work perfectly. allu need is the outter spring. (wolffs makes kahrs springs, so you got the best)

It would be nice if you bought the gun to have a agreement with the dealer that if it doesn't work right, u can return it. It should be OK, u can't hurt a kahr by shooting it, just to well made of a gun. If you get the owners manual with it, READ IT AND THEN RE READ IT. There is a little trick to re-installing the slide lock lever and the manual tells you how to do it without harming anything. I bought my K9 used and it has never faltered once and it was 6 years old when I bought it. I had no warranty, I didn't care, as I felt if something was not right, I could take care of it.

Your police price on a new kahr IMO is alos excellent, consiedr this. you get 5 years warranty, two magazines, all the latest stuff is in that gun. Ur talking about a $100 different, a new recoil assembly if u need it will cost you $25 plus postage, you get a extra magazine with the new model and if this used one doesn'thave it with it, then that is another $40. Other than u will havethe extended beveled slide like all have now. I like the shorter version but I am old school, nothing wrong what so ever in the new slide.

If you had to pay one trip back to kahr on ur used model for what ever, it willeatup your $100 in a herartbeat, for postage and service work. I sure would want to shoot that used one before buying it or have some type of return policy. good luck.

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[Jitterbug]

I have an older 2004 model PM9, and recently purchased a brand new model for the wife.

My 2 cents...if I could get your police discount on the new one I'd go for it.

On my older PM9, recently after about 1500+ rounds the plastic mag catch broke (wouldn't want this to happen at an inappropriate time, since the mag drops out) and I ordered the new metal one which popped right in for $13.95.

The new "old style" recoil assembly with the 1/2" flange (washer) works fine in my old model, however the outer recoil spring Kahr ships does not. I had to purchase new ones from Wolff, Kahr is very sloppy in regards to the outer spring replacement on the old model, in my opinion, having just dealt with it...threw $25 away on that deal and their solution wasn't satisfactory to me...I couldn't lock the slide back by hand and Kahr essentially told it was ok like that...NOT

The new Wolff outer recoil spring will work just fine on the old 3/8" flange recoil assembly.

Again...not a big deal, and I'm very happy with my old model PM9 and sure it's good for many more rounds, I considered selling it and updating to the new model, but have decided it's not worth the effort, my old model is just fine.

But for the $100 difference, considering your discount, you get the new model and a new 5 year warranty.

Jocko does bring up a good point about recoil spring replacement down the road, (changing the outer spring every 1000 rounds) on the new model your only option is pay the $25.00 for the entire assembly, as of a week or two ago Wolff was not stocking the new model outer spring, however I would expect them to at some time in the future.

When I ordered the outer recoil spring from Wolff it came with the striker spring and an inner spring.

MBFD, I hope this isn't confusing, it sounds more complicated then it is, just if it were me I'd spring for the extra $100 and go new. The PM9 will probably make a nice compliment to your G26, it's a notch down in overall size, weight and thickness.

I owned a G27 which I eventually sold, because there wasn't anything it could do for my personal CCW usage that the PM9 couldn't do better, with the possible exception of mag capacity.

[jocko]

If I was going to buy new, it would be the cm9.

Wolffs recoil outter spring will fit perfectly on the old style 3/8" flange and the 1/2" flange recoil assembly..

[DJK11]

I must comment on the Wolffs recoil spring and the new PM9 slide. I phoned Wolffs and asked about their PM9 recoil spring kit. I mentioned the old and new slide and 2 coil difference, 13 vs. 15. The Wolffs rep. said it will work just fine and I can't go by the number of coils. If it does not function properly, phone them and they will correct it or issue a refund or credit.

I purchased 2 sets. It takes about 10 min. to replace the springs and then just wait for the lock tite to dry. I have over 1200 rnds. with the Wolffs 20.5# setup and the pistol is 100% reliable.

In conclusion, regardless of other comments and opinions I have the PM9 newer slide and the Wolffs 20.5# springs installed and it functions fine.

Am I the only person on this site that has tried this set up?

[jocko]

ur partially right as the 13 coil springs will certainly work in the longer slide. That just is common sense, but the 15 coil kahr springs will not fit in tthe old blunt nose slide, and wolffs makes both springs for the kahrs. There is a difference or there would not be two different lenght coil count springs either. I have talked to the wolffs people about this and from what I got from them, they really didn't know there was now two different lenght PM9 slides or PM40 slides.

So yes it is working OK in your longer slide kahr as u have now installed the shorter recoil spring in this gun which IMO is not the correct thing to do. The inner recoil srings are the same for the short and long slide. It is the outter that is different. 13 coils vs 15 coils , one is longer than the other . Many have had the wrong recoil assembly sent to them for the older style slide and complained because they can't get it in the gun and kahr tells them to cut off a quarter coil at a time and retest. That tells me that kahr sent them the wrong outter recoil springs. He might have been partially right oin not countinbg on the number of coils but in this case they are wrong for sure.

I have found that it takes wolffs about a year or two to come out with their own recoil springs for we owners to buy. How long has the cw series been out???? HAVE we seen any wolffs recoil springs for any of the cw kahrs???NO and they make them for kahr. Kahr might just have a agreement with wolffs that they make their springs for their guns but cannot sell them themselves for a certain period of time. Surely the CW9 kahrs which is one of the most popular kahrs out there should have had recoil springs listed on the wolffs site..

[MBFD]

After reading all of your excellent/knowledgeable suggestions I have decided not to take possession of the 2006 PM9 for $460 and get the NEW PM9 for $560.
For $100 more I get everything NEW, improved, warranty and all mine.
Shoot Straight is willing to reimburse me 100%.

NOW - would anyone want to buy the 2006 PM9 W/Kahr pocket holster for $460? I've never sold a gun and don't know the rules to do so.
Sorry - I realize this is not the For Sale area.

Thank you all especially jocko for your support in helping me make my decision. Jocko 1/8 longer won't matter that much.

[jocko]

if shoot straight will take it back,I think I would go that way, save some hassle. I think you did the right thing, althoughI am so prejudice towards that blunt nose PM9, but you IMO did the right thing, U have the lastest of everything, 5 years warranty two magazines (although I think that extgended magazine is the most butt ugly magazine ever made) I would suggest u buy an extra flush fit magazine kand use the extened magazine for range use, . Some haveissues with thgat 7 round magazine so be alterted to that and if u do,u can call kahr and ask to send it back in exchange for a round mag.

You will shoot differently with the 7 round magin the gun as ur grip is now better fitting but IMO why is anyone buying this ultra compact gun toi stick an exztened magazine in it for one more round.If u can't do it inh 7 ur probably dead and if u feel you need more, then indeed carry a spare magazine. Indeed do the pre prep and lube thing found on the kahr tech section.