Concealed or Open Carry?

[jocko]

nice rambling though. Indiana is about to pass a law allowing a worker to have a gun in his vehicle on work grounds. I have always felt that even though I have a right to carry concealed or open, I don't want to rub that right in the face of citizens who don't understand or also business's that "If they don't know your carrying, then they don't have to address the situation BUT if open carry comes into their business, then they will address the situation based on what is good for their business, not to what "you think you have a perfect right to do on their property...

We used to not be able to bow hunt in Indiana and carry a firearm, even if we had a ccw permit,but that law was changed a few years back. Indiana is very pro gun but also not paranoid either to the opinions of non gun owners. We tread lightly but we seem to get good things done. I think we are the only state in the union to offer lifetime CCW permits. We adopted the castle doctrine law/act a few years back which expanded our right to defend ourselves outside of our home front etc..

No shirt, No shoes, No service, how many times have we seen that. It is a business right. You can challenge it but you will loose every time...

OC or CCW , one just needs to use common sense when doing either. It is indeed a hugh responsibility when one straps on a gun. A responsibility that some don't want any part of.. I am 66 and I just will not allow my self to be a victim.

Nice post Mr. Surveyor..

[recoilguy]

I carry concealed all the time everyday. I do know that an exposed weapon does work as a deterent at times.

I was fishing in Northern MN with my friend and his father when I was about 15. We got a flat tire on our boat trailer going back to the lake. We stopped and took out a bunch of gear from the boat to lighten it up for jacking the tire up. We were sitting on a cooler having a coke when a Pickup with 3 inembriated houligans pulled up behind us, got out and asked us what was going on. One talked to us while the other 2 eyeballed our gear and tackle. One of them said we will take your gear down to the landing for you guys and bent down to grab some fishing poles. My buddies dad got up and said I would really rather you help us change the flat tire and took off his coat and roled his shirtsleeves up.......expoeing the handle of his before now, concealed S&W revolver. He said to the one talking to us, go get my spare or else just be on your way. Those 3 houligans turned and got out of dodge faster then they rolled in.

That was one of those teaching moments. The opinions on this are valid on both side but both are opinions. Open carry is not a God given right but it is one we as Americans have. We do have to in MN ask for the priveledge to exersize that right, which seems a bit abrasive to me. I gladly comply because I want to be carrying legally. I ACNT. It is best to be legal but better to be alive or unharmed

RCG

[jeep45238]

Why do you consider one a right and the other a privilege? The two methods are really the exact same thing. IMHO, a privilege is no longer a right, but a lost piece of freedom...state owned and operated, taxed and limited.

Just curious.

Because concealed carry in Ohio without a license to do so is a felony (there used to be a prodent man clause, but that went away when they passed CHL in 2003). Open carry is garanteed by the Ohio State Constitution.

I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is in Ohio.

[Armybrat]

Like Jocko's coffee buddies, I sat at a table next to 8 Houston police officers eating lunch one day. I had a Commander 1911 under my concealment vest, the butt of which kept banging against the wooden chair back. No one even noticed, but me.

As to the topless woman walking down Congress Avenue in Austin, it wouldn't do you any good to try and call anybody. The lines would be jammed with "tea sippers" calling each other to come observe the spectical.
For those of you who don't know, tea sipper is what we Aggies call a student at tu.

[fngrobert]

PROVERBS 25:2 It is the glory of God to CONCEAL A THING

[tv_racin_fan]

Because concealed carry in Ohio without a license to do so is a felony (there used to be a prodent man clause, but that went away when they passed CHL in 2003). Open carry is garanteed by the Ohio State Constitution.

I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is in Ohio.

Ya just gotta love it.

I carry both ways depending on my mood. It matters not either way to some and makes a huge difference to others. Legally IF I carry concealed and someone in the store happens to spot it they have the same ability to ask me to leave as they do if I happen to be carrying openly. In my opinion we need to stop hiding and let the sheeple see just how many of us are out here carrying intelligently. In my state you can not get a concealed carry permit, you get a carry permit with which you can decide how to carry.

Last week the son and I hit the local WalMart and more or less got asked to leave because we were openly carrying, me a Ruger Old Army him a Sig Sauer Mosquito. This week I walked past the armed guard at the local Ingles and casually asked him what he was carrying today, when he said 9mm I said COOL me too and flashed him my Kahr K9, an employee walking behind me said thats cool and then asked what I was carrying and then he said I love a Kahr.

[Popeye]

Although open carry is legal in Pa. I just don't need the hassle from the Popo. I also prefer to CC for the reason that like a gambler, I'm not going to show any cards till I have to. The element of suprise, and the bad guy not knowing anything about what could happen puts the odds in my favor of comming out on top of a bad situation. Sometimes open carry just makes you the first target. I'm a big believer that what others don't know just might get them killed, and what they know just might get you killed.
If your comfortable open carrying, and you think that gives you the edge, then by all means do so.

[Raoul]

This must be almost the only forum that hasn't banned you kwik. Yet.

[Popeye]

Like I said Kwik whatever works for you. You won't get and argument from me even if your were aloud to carry. Lets just agree that we disagree and hope we never have to find out.

[mr surveyor]

This must be almost the only forum that hasn't banned you kwik. Yet.

Raoul....you made me look.....wow, what an interesting read one can find with a bit of google-foo

Thanks for the heads up... I may need it on "another forum" some day

surv

[medezyner]

Thanks for the heads-up on kwikrnu...interesting.

Open carry? Why make LE nervous? IMO your just bust'in their chops and you need to get a life.

[PigButtons]

I grew up in Phoenix, Az and there open carry is about your only option. A CWP is very hard to come by. As a youth I didn't think about it one way or the other. It depends on what you are used to and what those around you tolerate well. I think if all states had open carry as an option for everyone, felons and the like aside, we'd all get used to it a lot quicker.

I'm not so sure that the LEO thing is a good argument. If it is the law and they are paranoid about legal behavior, then constant and obvious experiences to the contrary would only help them adjust to reality.

I'm not saying that anyone should change their opinion or behavior, just a different viewpoint.

[Bawanna]

I grew up in Phoenix, Az and there open carry is about your only option. A CWP is very hard to come by. As a youth I didn't think about it one way or the other. It depends on what you are used to and what those around you tolerate well. I think if all states had open carry as an option for everyone, felons and the like aside, we'd all get used to it a lot quicker.

I'm not so sure that the LEO thing is a good argument. If it is the law and they are paranoid about legal behavior, then constant and obvious experiences to the contrary would only help them adjust to reality.

I'm not saying that anyone should change their opinion or behavior, just a different viewpoint.

I think you need to put yourself in LEO shoes. (I'm not LEO but I work with them, I'm a civilian puke so you don't have to salute me) Most LEO's are not anti gun, but at the same time they don't want to see them in their daily duties. The hard thing is telling who is a good guy and who is a bad guy, alot like over in the sand box, everybody looks the same. LEO's live and go home at end of shift by being paranoid. Be kind, be nice, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. That's paranoid. In some respects open carry would be a good thing as you say once everyone got used to it, they would see who's carrying a gun, bad guys would still hide so no gain there, but why stir the pot? I've had guys say it's legal to walk thru a grocery store with a loaded shotgun slung on my back. Technically it might be but plan on lots and lots of police contact everywhere you go to discuss your intentions and clarify your a good guy or a bad guy. Just some food for thought feeble as it might be.

[jbaker]

some states like wisconsin(where i live) cc is not legal. the only way to carry legally is open carry, i dont like it, ive done it and do it,but and a big but is knowing what cities/town/villages countys wont give you trouble,ecept for running a check on you, which to me is not trouble. oc is the only way in wis. and the police are getting ALOT better about it.hopefully sometime soon this will change (doyle is not running again) bc i dont like it. but also ive went through wal-mart a few times (bought ammo there) kwik trips pharmacy quit a few places and NO ONE even noticed there to busy going from a to b to notice.but when i do oc i just dont feel right, im a law abiding person(for the most part ) but im not going to hurt anyone when i oc so im definantle not going to hurt someone when i cc, i guess what no one knows wont hurt them

[jbaker]

and i can see leo feeling uneasy about poeple oc'ing, but do you really think a criminal/felon is going to walk into,well anywhere oc'ing there going to walk in shooting,or have it conceled, there not going to have a gun visibly on there hip just asking police to stop them run there name and get them convicted of felon with a gun.