Concealed or Open Carry?

[jocko]

agree

Agreed. Most of the people I run into who OC in a public place have an agenda. This does nothing positive for responsible gun owners. It almost always comes off as an egotistical cowboy attitude.

one is just asking for issues doing that. I just seen a clip on TV last week and then an article in the Wall Street Journal of people pushing the envelope at Starbucks which has non restrictions on OC. It showed people in mass at this one starbucks with OC.

Now It is putting starbucks on the spot to, for they want to abide by state laws but they are also business people and if we flaunt that OC stuff in people faces that don't understand it, then you can bet you will see a policy change at Starbucks. It is called survival.

Just makes no damn sense to OC, whether it is lawful or not. A business also has a write to disallow OC, and then we get all pissed over it and come to find out that normally it is the gun owners themselves who have pressed the issued, ...

[Bawanna]

and i can see leo feeling uneasy about poeple oc'ing, but do you really think a criminal/felon is going to walk into,well anywhere oc'ing there going to walk in shooting,or have it conceled, there not going to have a gun visibly on there hip just asking police to stop them run there name and get them convicted of felon with a gun.

Your correct in some respect. But to LE it's really not good guy with gun, bad guy with gun, it's just gun. Gun = threat. Criminals don't do well as light houses. You'd be surprised how many are pulled over everyday for incredibly stupid minor infractions. OR doing the same thing over and over again. In a small town do they think the same cops that pulled them over yesterday for no license isn't gonna remember them and their POS car?
Mr Jocko is also correct, why push it. Why add 45 minutes to a 10 minute walk thru town so you can allow talking to 4 officers who want to see if your a good guy cause the little old lady down the street is in a panic that your on the way to her post office. Just not worth it. For the guys that think OC deters crime, like the flat tire story, that's true too. The man made it OC when he took off his jacket. It could have been concealed before. Jacket off, open carry, message sent to BG, your move. I think I'll keep mine under wraps.

[jbaker]

one is just asking for issues doing that. I just seen a clip on TV last week and then an article in the Wall Street Journal of people pushing the envelope at Starbucks which has non restrictions on OC. It showed people in mass at this one starbucks with OC.

Now It is putting starbucks on the spot to, for they want to abide by state laws but they are also business people and if we flaunt that OC stuff in people faces that don't understand it, then you can bet you will see a policy change at Starbucks. It is called survival.

Just makes no damn sense to OC, whether it is lawful or not. A business also has a write to disallow OC, and then we get all pissed over it and come to find out that normally it is the gun owners themselves who have pressed the issued, ...

i know like i said i dont like it and really never do it anymore, but i kinda worry when and if cc bc your not supposed/illegal to but like i said what know one knows wont hurt, i dont cc but im thinking about it who would know, wis. sucks

[Bawanna]

i know like i said i dont like it and really never do it anymore, but i kinda worry when and if cc bc your not supposed/illegal to but like i said what know one knows wont hurt, i dont cc but im thinking about it who would know, wis. sucks

I think you nailed it. Who's gonna know. Laws that make sense I try to follow, laws that don't I normally tend to tweak just a tad when I feel it's important enough. More and more are falling into the second category.

[getsome]

Good point jbaker....I don't open carry except during hunting trips to south Georgia and the folks in that rural area don't even notice, Almost every pickup has a rifle rack with weapons in open view, even AR15 rifles but I live in Atlanta where there is at least 1 murder everyday so I leagally conceal carry everywhere I go...I ride MARTA which is our light rail transit system and am always armed concealed and wouldn't feel safe if I were not....The law was changed July 1 2009 to allow legal open carry of a firearm on a MARTA train or in a station if you have a permit...Last October 2009 Christopher Raissi was in a rail station with a pistol in plain view and was arrested by MARTA police and relieved of his weapon and detained for several hours even though he showed the officer his valid permit...He was made to show several other forms of ID and even forced to give them his social security number...After he went through a backround check and questioned as to why he needed a pistol on MARTA property he was released and given his gun back...This gentleman is a member of GeorgiaCarry.org which fights for gun owner rights in our state...They filed suit against MARTA and after a long drawn out trial won a judgement of $1000 dollars but the cost of the lawsuit was many times more than that so IMHO Mr. Raissi came out on the short end of the whole deal even though he won the case so to me unless you are trying to prove a point, it's much easier and less trouble to carry concealed....Interestingly enough after the case was settled a newspaper reporter who had a permit tried the same thing to see what reaction people gave him...He strapped on a Beretta 92 in open sight and no matter where he went nobody said anything or even seemed to notice even on a MARTA train.......

[Raoul]

i know like i said i dont like it and really never do it anymore, but i kinda worry when and if cc bc your not supposed/illegal to but like i said what know one knows wont hurt, i dont cc but im thinking about it who would know, wis. sucks

I understand how you feel, but I'd think seriously about what you do.

[jbaker]

I understand how you feel, but I'd think seriously about what you do.

i do take it seriously, but i never, never get patted down bc i DONT get into trouble.

[jbaker]

shi$ if i had to god forbid use it, ill pull out my holster and wear it oc crossdraw. but if i did have to use my gun and i saved the lives of my family ,or strangers for that matter i dont think id really give a shi# how i carried my gun. charge or not

[jbaker]

shi$ if i had to god forbid use it, ill pull out my holster and wear it oc crossdraw. but if i did have to use my gun and i saved the lives of my family ,or strangers for that matter i dont think id really give a shi# how i carried my gun. charge or not

of im using my pocket holster i guess im screwed

[Bawanna]

of im using my pocket holster i guess im screwed

You'll most likely be screwed anyhow, perish the thought. The important thing is to come out the winner and save innocent life and live to enjoy the screwing. There's sheep and there's sheepdogs. Take your choice.

Note- these are my own views and I don't want to influence you to do bad things that you wouldn't do on your own. Does that make sense? Didnt think so either.

[jbaker]

im 30 i make my own decisions ,kinda

[Bawanna]

im 30 i make my own decisions ,kinda

I was 30 once I shudder to think of the possibilities if I could be 30 again. Don't waste it my friend.

[Popeye]

Let me added a little fuel to the fire to a topic that's been beat to death way to many times. How many of you know LEO's who carry there backup/off duty gun exposed? I personally don't know one. If there not allowed to by Dep't policy, why do you think that is?

[jbaker]

Let me added a little fuel to the fire to a topic that's been beat to death way to many times. How many of you know LEO's who carry there backup/off duty gun exposed? I personally don't know one. If there not allowed to by Dep't policy, why do you think that is?

sorry dont know ,dont care, its the only LEGAL option in wis.

[jocko]

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i know like i said i dont like it and really never do it anymore, but i kinda worry when and if cc bc your not supposed/illegal to but like i said what know one knows wont hurt, i dont cc but im thinking about it who would know, wis. sucks

have carried for over 48 years, concealed 24/7, in states where I was not allowed. Screw it, do what you feel is best. I just made up my mind years ago after being armed robbed in my gun business that I will never be a victim again. I have set with many police officers and drank coffee with my J frame or my PM9 in my front pocket, never to be noticed by them. Common sense goes a long way. If a cop pulls u over for speeding, he is not interested to see that you have a gun in ur pocket or in the glove box. Take the ticket and drive on. It is not wether we have the right to carry OC, but does it make sense to do so???I just think not..

again everyone has to make his own decision. If you OC legally, just be prepapred to be challenged ALOT..