Concealed or Open Carry?

[wyntrout]

Man, I hope all of that Mall Ninja crap was imagination! I've kind of fantasized about being a cop, but my philosophy leans toward Dirty Harry and very much toward Charles Bronson's Death Wish character. Hopefully, I'll never have to take on that role for some kind of vengeance!
I'm not big or a bada$$, but even as a child, I picked on the bullies... not kicking their butts, just causing them a lot of grief. One of my favorite tactics in the 3rd grade was to piss one off and get him to chase me. I'd let him get close and then drop and roll into a ball and trip him badly in front of the other kids, then dance around laughing until he got up, and then repeat until he tired or recess was over. I never really had any "fights" but I would use whatever was handy to even things up or give me an edge. Fighting "fair" is BS if you're gonna get your butt kicked and injured.
I'm a "bada$$" philosopher/fighter... mostly talk, 'cause I haven't been provoked enough... and I hope things stay that way.
Wynn

[Bawanna]

My mall security story was second hand true story. Hardly believable but its true. Part of my ongoing arguement with the brother in law over trying to protect something without the means.
I do like the idea of M1's patroling the parking lots, that's where the bulk of the crime occurs.
I always wanted to be a cop (or the rodeo clown) but I'll just have to be content in my Charles Bronson role.

[wyntrout]

Yep... it was like looking in a mirror... CB, not the MN.

I read a lot, and still do, but one of the writers that I had access to before I was a teenager, was Zane Gray. In this one early America setting series, there was a good guy kind of like Daniel Boone... just not quite the legendary hero. He was a real do-gooder, though, and he was always chasing after this blood-thirsty, psychopathic half-breed renegade Named "Simon Girty"... not real sure about the name, but this guy was really bad, raping, killing, robbing settlers and burning their stuff to the ground after torturing the settlers to death. The hero caught up with the bad guy numerous times and always let the bad guy talk him into fighting "fair" and not just dropping him with a bullet. It usually went something like the good guy has finally got the bad one at gun point and lays down his rifle to fight "fair" whereupon the bad guy whips out a hidden gun against the good guy's knife or knife against bare hands. The bad guy always escaped this way, usually leaving the good guy next to dead. After one such encounter, the bad guy killed his wife and child or children and burned his home to the ground after the rape and torture.
I got so f'ing frustrated over the "good guy's" idiocy that I was screaming at the pages of those books... yes, this same crap went on book after book -- the same good and bad guy. I still get so frustrated about movies and I scream to shoot and not talk, and don't listen to the bad guy. Every time someone trips up a bad guy and leaves him alive to get up in a few seconds and continue the chase, usually with the weapon that the victim could have picked up and ended the ordeal, I'm screaming at the TV -- finish it/him off... head shot, damnit... 2 or 3 or empty the gun!

The latest insanity is about a private firm protecting a ship attacked twice by the same bunch of pirates... and FINALLY, one of the pirates was killed. Now all of the hysteria is about "private firms" being the problem and this death has to be fully investigated!
I personally feel if pirates attack a ship, they should be blown out of the water or shot to hell and left to sink, unless they ran when confronted with armed guards and got out of range. The military ought to just blow them out of the water if they act like pirates. It's BS to just take their weapons and let them go!
That's the U.N. approach... don't arm crews or have guards, just surrender... much like their gun-control plan for the world -- disarm the good guys and allow the U.N. to be your protector... even in the U.S.A.!
Wynn

[jocko]

I read that article to. WTF is the matter with these people. Theya re pi8rates, they tried to invade a private ship in international waters. That shipping company ought to tell who ever it is to Go f--k themselves. Now we give Pirates "rights". just makes no sense. Surely that won't go anywhere in the judicial department.... I guess it wolud have bene Ok for a frigate to load up on that pirate boats but not a hired gun protecting a private owned ship. Oh my what next. Put Bawanna on one of those ships. He will take care of that crap in a hear beat..
Time to take my meds. been on here to long today..

[Bawanna]

I read that article to. WTF is the matter with these people. Theya re pi8rates, they tried to invade a private ship in international waters. That shipping company ought to tell who ever it is to Go f--k themselves. Now we give Pirates "rights". just makes no sense. Surely that won't go anywhere in the judicial department.... I guess it wolud have bene Ok for a frigate to load up on that pirate boats but not a hired gun protecting a private owned ship. Oh my what next. Put Bawanna on one of those ships. He will take care of that crap in a hear beat..
Time to take my meds. been on here to long today..

Thank you. Yuppers, I'm your man (well half man) Me got no use for pirates matey!:86:

[noslolo]

That exact thing is happening in VA mr surveyor. I find more and more stores with the NO FIREARMS ALLOWED sign.

[mr surveyor]

That exact thing is happening in VA mr surveyor. I find more and more stores with the NO FIREARMS ALLOWED sign.

I'm certain that would be exactly what would happen in Texas as soon as the open carry crowd started flaunting their newly recognized "right". At that point, the business/property owners would have no recourse but to exercise their rights as private property owners and legally post their property in order to appease the sensitivities of the larger majority of patrons. I would guess that the vast majority of business owners aren't aware that many of their patrons may be legally carrying into their facilities, right past the "improper signs" (that are not legally sufficient to prohibit licensed concealed carry) they have posted.

As a small business owner myself, I hold private property rights in very high regard, and recognize that any business owner should have the right to restrict certain activities on their property. I have my own ideas of how things could, or would be structured in what I personally would see as ideal conditions, but under current law recognizing private and personal property rights those that carry firearms would end up with very limited freedom of movement if open carry was legalized in Texas.


surv

[jocko]

SURVEYOR; u are dead on target. Sometimes we tend to step on our own toes.. I sold guns for 40 years and in Indiana CCW permits are plentiful but I never liked it when a fella would walk into my business with open carry. I just felt no need to see that and I know most of my customers to know who was CCW to but that never bothered me nor my customers either for they did not know..

Common sense just goes a long way and if we want to screw the starbucks position up big time, just start OPEN CARRYING in thier places and we will soon to see signs going up..

[Bawanna]

SURVEYOR; u are dead on target. Sometimes we tend to step on our own toes.. I sold guns for 40 years and in Indiana CCW permits are plentiful but I never liked it when a fella would walk into my business with open carry. I just felt no need to see that and I know most of my customers to know who was CCW to but that never bothered me nor my customers either for they did not know..

Common sense just goes a long way and if we want to screw the starbucks position up big time, just start OPEN CARRYING in thier places and we will soon to see signs going up..

Agree with both of ya.

[jocko]

oh my

Agree with both of ya.

Agree with both of ya.

now were in trouble:19:
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[Popeye]

I agree 100% with your thinking Surv. Kind of like cutting your nose off to spite your face. In search of more freedoms we'll actually end up with less. Many people are uncomfortable around guns, so why jam it in there face. I'm quite certain I go allot of places where people or business owners would not be to happy knowing that I'm CC in there establishment, but with them not knowing it's a non issue. Hell half the people I'm in there with don't know. Why should they. Concealed means concealed.

[Armybrat]

Open carry in large urban public places is not particularly a smart move, IMO. Why aggravate the timid anyway? It serves real no useful purpose except to make our community look like a bunch of Clint Eastwood wannabes or mall ninjas - again, my opinion. It might be an entirely different situation in small towns in the South & SW.

Free speech in the form of these loudmouth yakkers on cellphones in a restaurant is pefectly constitutional too, but we all know what most of the public thinks of those nimrods.

I'll keep my PDD concealed, thank you.

[jlottmc]

I must agree unless you are in the bush or working on some land, the CC is the way to go. But as TX law reads a handgun MUST be concealed unless it is being used in an activity were it is common and recognized to carry openly, i.e. fishing, hunting, or working a farm etc. Technically, you can also carry openly on your private property, but like walking down the street with that AR or shotgun not a good idea. This may also be done here as long as the weapon is not displayed in a manner to cause alarm, or in a threatening manner. Rule of thumb around these parts is conceal it, case the long guns and keep them out of sight.

[mr surveyor]

I don't think "fishing" falls into the category of open carry handgun shooting sports, although I do know of a couple of (unnamed) guys that tried to dispatch a 12 foot gar with KelTec pistols on a (unnamed) river in the afore mentioned state after a 45 minute battle on ultra light tackle....I think there are even pictures somewhere. Since the monster gar isn't really visible in the pics, but the "sportsmen" are visible, the pics will remain archived

By the way, ballistically speaking, neither .32 acp nor .380 acp has enough energy through 6-8 inches of water to effectively penetrate half dollar sized gar scales


surv

[kahrseye]

In PA we can open carry, but I wouldn't do it unless I have time to kill...cuz the cops would be hasseling you, questioning you and doing everything they can to discourage you from open carrying. I can understand it to a point. It does alarm some people and then they get called and have to check out the situation when they have better things to do. I always CC. I don't want bgs to know I'm carrying. I want it to be a BIG surprise.