"No Concealed Firearms" sign on the door.

[Scoundrel]

Recently, I went to the Great Wolf Lodge in Grand Mound, WA.

There is a rather large sign on the door that has a picture of a pistol with a circle and slash over it, and proclaims the words "No Concealed Firearms Allowed In This Facility".

I thought to myself, "Well, my NAA .22lr mini-revolver is in a pouch on my belt in plain sight. It's not concealed." And I walked right through that door.
As usual, nobody gave it a second glance.

[7shot]

There was no such sign at the GWL here in Texas, so in I went packing my XDm.

[OldLincoln]

I'm seeing more of these signs around town. I ignore them but will leave if approached by an employee who asks me to go, otherwise it's trespassing. I wonder if another visit would be legal as the first was, having been advised to not carry there by an employee.

I have to go there as it is for medical reasons. I suppose I'll end up leaving it in the car and don't mind except it's a hassle and one step toward being easier to just not carry.

[TD2K]

unless they have metal detectors (courthouse, etc), I carry.

[VBVAGUY]

So you just OC and walk right in !!! I wonder what they would say then ??? LOL !!! God Bless


You: see no conceal carry sign, pulls out gun and open carrys it on your waist. You walk right in and pass the front desk at the lobby.

Front Desk: running to you, sir !! sir !! Did you not see the sign on the door ???

You: Why yes I did....that is why I put my gun out on the open like this on my waist, since you all do not allow CONCEALED CARRY. You continue walking to your room...

Front Desk: Dumb founded just standing there

You: DUH !!!

[JFootin]

So you just OC and walk right in !!! I wonder what they would say then ??? LOL !!! God Bless


You: see no conceal carry sign, pulls out gun and open carrys it on your waist. You walk right in and pass the front desk at the lobby.

Front Desk: running to you, sir !! sir !! Did you not see the sign on the door ???

You: Why yes I did....that is why I put my gun out on the open like this on my waist, since you all do not allow CONCEALED CARRY. You continue walking to your room...

Front Desk: Dumb founded just standing there

You: DUH !!!

In NC, this is legal with no permit.

[bigtrain]

I like what this lady does if a business doesn't allow open or concealed carry:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ist/57699426/1

"From a private property rights perspective, Goeser says she respects establishments that post no-gun signs. Still, she won't hesitate to hand business owners a card that reads, "No Guns (EQUALS) No Money" above a sentence that states she and other armed customers "will spend our money with your competitors." "

[Scoundrel]

I like what this lady does if a business doesn't allow open or concealed carry:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ist/57699426/1

"From a private property rights perspective, Goeser says she respects establishments that post no-gun signs. Still, she won't hesitate to hand business owners a card that reads, "No Guns (EQUALS) No Money" above a sentence that states she and other armed customers "will spend our money with your competitors." "

I'd like to think this works. But the concepts of "the customer is always right" and "good customer service = repeat business and referrals" seem to be lost on today's businesses - not just the ones with the teenyboppers running the counter, either - everyone seems to have a "gimme gimme" cutthroat attitude these days. It's getting harder and harder to find businesses that have good attitudes and policies regarding customer service.

Maybe that is different in other areas of the country, but where I am, it's the way things have gone.

Anyway, where I was trying to go with that rant is that these days, 99% of the time, if you hand someone a card like that, they're going to say "good riddance" and throw the card away without a second thought. Their manager will never see it. The store owner will never see it. The policy probably came from the store owner anyway, who probably has strong opinions about it and won't entertain the idea of changing them for anything. They'd have to get a couple hundred of those cards before they'd believe that it was having any significant impact on their business.

I am slightly more in favor of adding the "instructions" style sticker that looks legitimate and advises that if anything bad happens, you should lie down on the floor like a good sheeple and hope the bad guy doesn't hurt you. But that will have just about as much success in enlightening a store employee/manager/owner as the card does. People don't want to have their minds changed. They don't want to listen to suggestions from people with viewpoints different than their own. They don't want to believe that they might have something to learn from the values, opinions, and experiences of others.


[/rant]... Uh, [/rant] [/rant] [/rant] dammit, my "End Rant" key is not working! WTF? JOCKO, what did you do to my keyboard??

[/soapbox] Ah, there, that's better.

[bigtrain]

People don't want to have their minds changed. They don't want to listen to suggestions from people with viewpoints different than their own. They don't want to believe that they might have something to learn from the values, opinions, and experiences of others.

Totally agree with the above Scoundrel. No matter how fact-based or logical an argument may be, some folks just don't want to know...frustrating.


Still, I like her effort.

[Scoundrel]

Totally agree with the above Scoundrel. No matter how fact-based or logical an argument may be, some folks just don't want to know...frustrating.


Still, I like her effort.

Yes, I guess at least she's making a visible effort, trying to be part of the solution instead of being part of the problem. I try to do that, but it's so hard to do that and feel so alone doing it.

[Planedude]

If it's not posted (Texas legal) per section 30.06 (offical notice in this state) then I will carry inside, with respect enough to leave if asked.

However if I'm doing it right, the dummys will just never know.

[knkali]

I'd like to think this works. But the concepts of "the customer is always right" and "good customer service = repeat business and referrals" seem to be lost on today's businesses.

I respectfully have to say that there are two sides to this coin. I have seen great customer service from businesses and see them go under. People will go to the closest place or the cheapest price or the one with the best parking. Customer loyalty has seemed to have waned too despite the best efforts of the business.

I drive over 3 hours to buy my weaponry and supplies and even pay more at a guns store than many other stores because they always have time for me and always treat me and my wife well--in short we have a good relationship. This behavior by patrons is rarely seen anymore.

To the OP: I respect these signs and opt, if possible, to go somewhere else. If we do not obey these signs and subsequently are caught, then we are just ' another JA with a gun". We have to be better than that. Either move on to another place or obey the owners wishes. We must show that we give respect so we can get respect back.

Face it. Most people do not want us to carry. Lets not give them a reason to justify their anti gun position.

[les strat]

If it's not posted (Texas legal) per section 30.06 (offical notice in this state) then I will carry inside, with respect enough to leave if asked.

However if I'm doing it right, the dummys will just never know.

LOL, what a choice of section number.

Desk clerk lady: "Sir, is that a deer rifle in your pants, or do we need to go out sometime?"

[PYROhafe]

Im thinking of either buying some of these http://www.zazzle.com/concealed+carry+businesscards
or just printing some of these
http://www.persecusa.com/html/free/f...chantcards.htm
to pass out at the places that deny us our right to protect ourself

[chrish]

I also respect the signs and go elsewhere, or do business and take the chance not carrying there. Reason, property rights. They are just as important as your 2A right. If you don't respect a business or individual's private property, then why should folks respect your 2A right. I also agree w/ the comment by knkali above regarding how we (gun folks) will be seen once caught. It'll be seen just like open carry when you have the option to conceal or this whole movement of baiting police and acting like a jackass opening carrying somewhere you know good and well (and are hoping) someone is gonna call the police on you. It just gives the opponents more leadway on painting us as 'crazy'. In all these cases, you can argue 'a right not exercised' or 'they cant keep me down', or whatever, but you endanger our right to keep and bear everytime you do that (and get caught). So, I guess don't get caught!