The small arms treaty is back!!

[Longitude Zero]

We all need to remain vigilant and fight conspiculously for our rights. However a UN treaty is not what I consider to be a primary threat. How many times have we seen in many areas where the "G" allows citizesn to get hot and bothered by issue X and then slides Issue Y thru under the radar. The term Red Herring comes to mind.

[JohnR]

We all need to remain vigilant and fight conspiculously for our rights. However a UN treaty is not what I consider to be a primary threat. How many times have we seen in many areas where the "G" allows citizesn to get hot and bothered by issue X and then slides Issue Y thru under the radar. The term Red Herring comes to mind.

Gay marriage is just one such red herring. I know most of us don't give a damn about what gays do, but the Marxists have been using homosexuality as a wedge for decades, to crack into Western culture's armor. Western culture being defined as the Enlightenment ideals of morality, freedom, and capitalism. If they can shatter that ideal, the way is paved to replace it with Marxism. http://www.academia.org/the-origins-...l-correctness/

[Longitude Zero]

Gay marriage is just one such red herring. I know most of us don't give a damn about what gays do, but the Marxists have been using homosexuality as a wedge for decades, to crack into Western culture's armor. Western culture being defined as the Enlightenment ideals of morality, freedom, and capitalism. If they can shatter that ideal, the way is paved to replace it with Marxism. http://www.academia.org/the-origins-...l-correctness/

Exactely.

[pudge]

John R,

I appreciate and agree with your comments. Certainly our individual rights as far as gun ownership are very important. But I think there is a more far reaching result of the right to possess firearms. Not only do individuals get to possess and use firearms, but everyone else ... predators from within, and predators from without, who could care less about rules and regulations .... knows that a very large percentage of folks in the USA own and are willing to use firearms. That in itself is a huge deterrent for those who are interested in taking liberties with what does not belong to them. Possession of firearms by the everyday citizen has always been the thing that stands between liberty and the loss of it, in whatever measure you wish to discuss. Many folks who own firearms are not really psychologically prepared to shoot someone else, but put their backs against the wall or their loved ones in danger and they will do it or try too!

And one other comment ... I know that there are those who would do the government's bidding if a confiscation order somehow comes to pass. But I'll tell you that a very large percentage of those already wearing badges and uniforms would NOT participate in such enforcement. The sad thing is that if such an order were to be issued and enforcement was attempted, the confrontation would not likely be pretty. The question is, are we really ready to defy such an edict and take the actions necessary to do so?

[JohnR]

The Founding Fathers were, are we no less than them?

[chrish]

pudge and JohnR,

Those are the VERY questions that concern me the most. I find myself frequently thinking 'what if' scenarios, for me, for the population as a whole. Like pudge said, when your back is against the wall, you WILL use a firearm to defend yourself. But my concern is what IS that wall for everyone. I mean, if they outlaw guns, will I turn them over, will I keep them until they come and turn them over, or will I do everything in my power to keep them including taking a stand with said firearm(s). From my minds standpoint, will I consider that 'against the wall' or is 'against the wall' really just a direct realtime threat to my family (intruder). In other words, I'm concerned that MOST gun owners are the latter. Confiscation is not a direct threat to your life, may be down the road, but of the ~50 million households with guns, how many are really willing to keep them at all costs. That number might be really scary, might be really reassuring. But nobody knows what it is until the rubber meets the road.

[Bawanna]

Let there be zero doubt and let me be perfectly clear.

I don't foresee confiscation in my life time in any real way. Course I was wrong about Australia. I really thought they were together over there but I was wrong.

I figure on the west coast if it does happen except California of course, we'll not be near the front of the collection itinerary.

I will not give them one single rusted closed inoperable piece of garbage gun while air and blood are flowing through my body.

I'm sure I won't last long but I won't go down easy or without effort on my part.

If the SS is watching and want to use me for a test sample at illegally storming peoples houses I'll be happy to provide my address so you don't mistakenly attack an old folks rest home. Those will probably be first.

Bring it.

[JohnR]

Amen, brother. Bring it. Molon Labe.

[Popeye]

I'd sure like to see him explain to the American people how he is fixing the economy by closing down gun manufacturing. Think about this for a moment and all it entails. How many peoples jobs would be effected by such a move?
I will not give up my guns, as I have given my time and a portion of my life to defend the freedoms we enjoy. I once signed a piece of paper saying I would defend this country from all enemys foriegn and domestic and will die if I must to defend our way of life. Nothing has changed. So if they must, bring it on. I have no plans living the rest of my life on my knees begging for scraps. Not a threat just sayin.

[Epiontek]

I follow this forum pretty close but never comment. I feel the need to now. I believe our government will try to disarm us. The statement that most wearing badges and in the military won't turn on the American people is true. I believe this is why they train foreign national troops here because they will turn on us. I do believe they will have a fight on their hands they won't forget. At least that is what I hope.

[Bawanna]

Key word here is "TRY". I have no doubt you are correct.

I wish my tin foil hat was 100% sure, the things I'd like to say here that I can't for fear of the storm troopers.

I'm going out now to arrange a workable sling for my mares leg. Until I rig a back scabbard for it. I'm gonna work it into the force continuim. Handgun and Mares leg to get to the rifle and scattergun.

[knkali]

I don't foresee confiscation in my life time in any real way. Course I was wrong about Australia.

That statement above is what gives me serious doubt about our 2A future. If it can happen in Oz, it can happen here.

[chrish]

Well, given my comments, I do have to say that I would like to think that I would not roll over should it come to this. I believe it is completely possible. It happened in the UK over a relatively short period of time (less than 100 years). It can happen here, no question, or an attempt at least.

It's just a thought that frequently crosses my mind. If I were older, with less responsibility and no dependents...I can say w/ unwavering certainty what I would do...but, that's not reality for me for the next decade plus. If we last that long, I'll be in good shape.

Personally, I think they are going to trash the economy before they can get to it. I think we are in for a nasty ride and in the end we'll be doing good to pay the military, police, etc. We may all be on our own, which I'm fine with. At that point, I'm good to go...lock-n-load.

[Bawanna]

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying they won't try. BUT even idiot liberals have to see the futility of trying to disarm the American public.

The japanese were reluctant to attack because there is a gun behind every blade of grass and that's not far from the truth.

They can't disarm the bad guys, they will play holy hell trying to disarm the good guys.

My youngest is 18. They can stand with me or leave, no shame on them what so ever.

I'm not going anyplace unless it's a better position with more opportunity to take out the SS.

Wish I had access to some mortars and grenades. Some claymores would be right handy too.

Biggest asset would be a great pair of legs, I won't be much good sneaking thru the woods.

[AIRret]

I'd sure like to see him explain to the American people how he is fixing the economy by closing down gun manufacturing. Think about this for a moment and all it entails. How many peoples jobs would be effected by such a move?
I will not give up my guns, as I have given my time and a portion of my life to defend the freedoms we enjoy. I once signed a piece of paper saying I would defend this country from all enemys foriegn and domestic and will die if I must to defend our way of life. Nothing has changed. So if they must, bring it on. I have no plans living the rest of my life on my knees begging for scraps. Not a threat just sayin.

Amen, we are with you brother.