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  • #46
    Originally posted by Barth View Post
    In the case of full auto weapons that is true.
    And that might be a good thing.
    There has to be some limits on what's appropriate for a citizen to own.

    I very very seriously can not believe that you sid this. Go read the second amendment and come back and explain what it means in your mind please sir.

    But the high cap mags and AR ban has come and gone.
    More Americans are pro gun today than in years gone by.

    My crystal ball is not clear on what the future holds.
    But I for one still have hope in our future.
    That my grandson will be able to legally have and enjoy his inherited H&Ks.

    And thanks for hitting below the belt with the H&Ks - LOL!
    Ahem I hate to inform you but if this treaty is ratified you wont be getting any more H&Ks or anything else built outside of the US. See that is what this treaty seeks to control. Not the guns internally built and sold but those "traded" outside of a nations borders.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by tv_racin_fan View Post
      Ahem I hate to inform you but if this treaty is ratified you wont be getting any more H&Ks or anything else built outside of the US. See that is what this treaty seeks to control. Not the guns internally built and sold but those "traded" outside of a nations borders.
      Be advised;
      Hecker and Koch HK45 and HK45C weapons are made in the U.S.A.
      The HK45C was adopted by the United States Naval Special Warfare Command in September 2010.

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      • #48
        Bawanna you hit the nail on the head with the keyword is try bit. There is absolutely no doubt that GOVT will seek to take arms from it's subjects. The founding fathers knew this and this is why we have the second amendment tho some of them felt that having the second amendment would give the govt the vehicle with which to take the arms they believeing that everyone would naturally assume the right. In some aspects you could say those who said we need not such an amendment were correct but I for one do not believe that to be the case.

        In any event the founding fathers knew that govt is evil. It always seeks to gain ever more power over it's subjects. Many consider only those who are allowed the right to keep and bear arms as citizens since they have the tools with which to fight against the tyranny of govt. They consider any infringement on that right to be tyranny. I hold with these men and women.

        Molon Labe... many understand this to mean come and take them. As I understand it that is not the correct meaning. Having come, take them! Is what I understand to be the correct interpretation. It may seem a trivial difference today buit my understanding is that back in that time it was a HUGE difference. "Come and take them" being a sort of bravado claim and could be taken lightly kids on the playground stuff where the kid making the boast may well run upon the first blow but "having come, take them" was dead serious adult stuff where the man making the statement had no intent whatsoever to back down, now it is till death kinda stuff.

        Cold dead fingers... give me liberty or give me death.. I have not yet begun to fight (this boast while the enemy could see the sea thru the hull of the "sinking" ship you are standing on).. da mn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! Nu tz.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Barth View Post
          Be advised;
          Hecker and Koch HK45 and HK45C weapons are made in the U.S.A.
          The HK45C was adopted by the United States Naval Special Warfare Command in September 2010.
          They may well be built here today but they are built with license from off shore, same as the Glock. That license wont hold water nor will it allow them to be built here. National Soverignty and all that rot.

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          • #50
            Of course it is just MY understanding and I have been wrong before.

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            • #51
              And of course nations such as China which do not recognize such niceties wont abide by the treaty and the UN wont do anything about it BUT we here in the US will do so.

              Or so again that is MY belief.

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              • #52
                SO they can't control the criminals with guns, but they had rather turn tens of millions of law abiding folks into criminals? Oh, that makes sense. I swear, it never fails to amaze me the idiocy of the single celled organisms we call liberals.
                “I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”
                “To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by les strat View Post
                  SO they can't control the criminals with guns, but they had rather turn tens of millions of law abiding folks into criminals? Oh, that makes sense. I swear, it never fails to amaze me the idiocy of the single celled organisms we call liberals.
                  Interesting thought: how many liberals does it take to add up the I.Q.s and get a 3 digit number?
                  Very interesting...

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by JFootin View Post
                    Interesting thought: how many liberals does it take to add up the I.Q.s and get a 3 digit number?
                    100 on average. Like 101 if you add Obama.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by les strat View Post
                      SO they can't control the criminals with guns, but they had rather turn tens of millions of law abiding folks into criminals? Oh, that makes sense. I swear, it never fails to amaze me the idiocy of the single celled organisms we call liberals.
                      It's all about control and revenge. Liberals aren't logical or sensible.
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                      • #56
                        Just keep in mind that If they are not successful taking the guns with the UN treaty they will try taking them when Obummer appoints the next supreme court justice!!!!!!!!!!!
                        BEWARE, BE PREPARED, AND BE READY!!!!!!!!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by MC1911 View Post
                          Wasn't part of his oath of office to" protect and defend the constitution of the United States."

                          I would like an impartial group to look at his college admission records.

                          The birthers might be nutty , but they may have a point.
                          Are you saying he listed himself as a foreign national to get priority admission to these Ivy league schools after transferring from Occidental with mediocre grades?
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