Zimmerman defense fund is running dry

[olympicmotorcars]

I am wondering about the paypal charge for almost 8000 dollars?

[Scoundrel]

That's easiest to explain: Paypal takes a percentage of donations submitted using their service.

That bring up an interesting topic though. Paypal is very anti-gun and has been known to cancel accounts and not return funds when gun purchases are made through their service. So are they cool with the Zimmerman fund, and if so, why?

[Harrylee]

This is Wrong

IT’ funny how this whole thing disappeared with the Aurora and Newtown going on, I don’t under stand what it takes to defend your self. As far as I can see from all this he was keeping an eye on him wasn’t tracking with gun out. He got sucker punched, his nose got broke knocked to the ground and had his head smashed on the sidewalk. My god what else do you have to go thru before your pull out the last resort. If I saw someone walking around my neighbors house that didn’t belong there I would definitely be over there at distance but be known. Hey this is where we live. This should have never got the far! And with all this it was stand your ground state, this guy should’ve been home along time ago. Seems like a justified shoot to me, If someone was coming and you with a knife it’s O K, but broken nose and head pounded on the sidewalk NOT OK? That’s plain wrong. There was a story awhile back a 65 year old man was riding his bike thru the park and three kids jumped him and started to beat the living he!! Out of him pulled out his gun shot two of them. This is the kind of thing that just piss all of us off, here’s the link to the 65 year old http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=361731

[knkali]

Zimmr's motion for a delay of trial was declined BTW.

[Popeye]

I'll be honest with my feeling towards this case. IMO this was a case of two knuckleheads that ran across each others paths one night. One was a punk who thought he was a bad ***. The other was an overzealous gun owner cop wanna be who put himself in a no win situation and should have let the cops handle it. Know one was being harmed at the time. One walked away and went to jail the other is no longer with us. With both parties all I can say is play stupid games win stupid prizes.

If I thought Zimmerman was 100%in the right I'd back him, but that's not the case here. At least in my mind it isn't. It's just a sad story of two knuckleheads with no winners.

[knkali]

I'll be honest with my feeling towards this case. IMO this was a case of two knuckleheads that ran across each others paths one night. One was a punk who thought he was a bad ***. The other was an overzealous gun owner cop wanna be who put himself in a no win situation and should have let the cops handle it. Know one was being harmed at the time. One walked away and went to jail the other is no longer with us. With both parties all I can say is play stupid games win stupid prizes.

If I thought Zimmerman was 100%in the right I'd back him, but that's not the case here. At least in my mind it isn't. It's just a sad story of two knuckleheads with no winners.

Popeye, lets keep that thought and revisit it as the trial unfolds. Your perception could be founded in your possible belief that the police have an obligation to save life and or there is an obligation to prevent crime when they are not so obligated. Therefore it is up to the citizen for the aforementioned and not on the police.

[Bawanna]

Popeye, lets keep that thought and revisit it as the trial unfolds. Your perception could be founded in your possible belief that the police have an obligation to save life and or there is an obligation to prevent crime when they are not so obligated. Therefore it is up to the citizen for the aforementioned and not on the police.

Sadly the police already made the right call, turned him loose without charging calling it justified. Now it's on a higher plain. Political grand standing and what he did is no longer relevant.

Now would be a good time to have the trial while all the big players are busy with the school shooting and gun banning and such. Kind of spread the hemroids around and they won't bother one person quite so bad.

[KoolBreeze]

Sadly the police already made the right call, turned him loose without charging calling it justified. Now it's on a higher plain. Political grand standing and what he did is no longer relevant.

Now would be a good time to have the trial while all the big players are busy with the school shooting and gun banning and such. Kind of spread the hemroids around and they won't bother one person quite so bad.

My thoughts exactly. It's really a shame that it has gone as far as it has.

[JimC]

I'll be honest with my feeling towards this case. IMO this was a case of two knuckleheads that ran across each others paths one night. One was a punk who thought he was a bad ***. The other was an overzealous gun owner cop wanna be who put himself in a no win situation and should have let the cops handle it. Know one was being harmed at the time. One walked away and went to jail the other is no longer with us. With both parties all I can say is play stupid games win stupid prizes.

If I thought Zimmerman was 100%in the right I'd back him, but that's not the case here. At least in my mind it isn't. It's just a sad story of two knuckleheads with no winners.

Exactly!!! Popeye, you hit the nail squarely on the head.

[Popeye]

Your perception could be founded in your possible belief that the police have an obligation to save life and or there is an obligation to prevent crime when they are not so obligated. Therefore it is up to the citizen for the aforementioned and not on the police.

What???
How in the world should it be Joe citizen obligation to stop a crime who is not getting paid or trained to protect anyone and not the cops? Who are both trained and paid.
I'll say it right now if someone is breaking into my neighbors home I'm calling the cops. My obligation is to my family not my neighbors insured property. If the Popo doesn't respond to the call well then it to bad for my neighbor and his insurance company.. My Gun permit says for SD it does not say I'm obligated to protect anyone but myself and my family and my property. Thank God PA. has the castle doctrine. If I choose to get envolved if someone is being sliced up with a knife, then I have to be ready to pay the consequences for my actions right or wrong. I'm ok with pulling my gun and using it in a situation of that magnitude. I'm well aware that there is lawyer out there that will try to make me out to be the bad guy. Zimmerman should have know this, and if he didn't well then maybe he shouldn't have been carrying a gun in the first place. Like I said sad story of two knuckleheads.

[HarleyJack]

What???
How in the world should it be Joe citizen obligation to stop a crime who is not getting paid or trained to protect anyone and not the cops? Who are both trained and paid.
I'll say it right now if someone is breaking into my neighbors home I'm calling the cops. My obligation is to my family not my neighbors insured property. If the Popo doesn't respond to the call well then it to bad for my neighbor and his insurance company.. My Gun permit says for SD it does not say I'm obligated to protect anyone but myself and my family and my property. Thank God PA. has the castle doctrine. If I choose to get envolved if someone is being sliced up with a knife, then I have to be ready to pay the consequences for my actions right or wrong. I'm ok with pulling my gun and using it in a situation of that magnitude. I'm well aware that there is lawyer out there that will try to make me out to be the bad guy. Zimmerman should have know this, and if he didn't well then maybe he shouldn't have been carrying a gun in the first place. Like I said sad story of two knuckleheads.

Completely agree.

[HarleyJack]

Just my opinion, but I think it's stupid for the pro gun community to hitch it's wagon to this idiot Zimmerman. He certainly doesn't represent me.

[JimC]

Just my opinion, but I think it's stupid for the pro gun community to hitch it's wagon to this idiot Zimmerman. He certainly doesn't represent me.

Me either! I want as much distance between him and myself that I can get.

[JimC]

What???
How in the world should it be Joe citizen obligation to stop a crime who is not getting paid or trained to protect anyone and not the cops? Who are both trained and paid.
I'll say it right now if someone is breaking into my neighbors home I'm calling the cops. My obligation is to my family not my neighbors insured property. If the Popo doesn't respond to the call well then it to bad for my neighbor and his insurance company.. My Gun permit says for SD it does not say I'm obligated to protect anyone but myself and my family and my property. Thank God PA. has the castle doctrine. If I choose to get envolved if someone is being sliced up with a knife, then I have to be ready to pay the consequences for my actions right or wrong. I'm ok with pulling my gun and using it in a situation of that magnitude. I'm well aware that there is lawyer out there that will try to make me out to be the bad guy. Zimmerman should have know this, and if he didn't well then maybe he shouldn't have been carrying a gun in the first place. Like I said sad story of two knuckleheads.

Couldn't have said better myself.
I gave up being responsible for others the day I retired from LE...almost 16 years ago now.
I carry to defend myself and my wife IF required.

[knkali]

What???
How in the world should it be Joe citizen obligation to stop a crime who is not getting paid or trained to protect anyone and not the cops? Who are both trained and paid.
I'll say it right now if someone is breaking into my neighbors home I'm calling the cops. My obligation is to my family not my neighbors insured property. If the Popo doesn't respond to the call well then it to bad for my neighbor and his insurance company.. My Gun permit says for SD it does not say I'm obligated to protect anyone but myself and my family and my property. Thank God PA. has the castle doctrine. If I choose to get involved if someone is being sliced up with a knife, then I have to be ready to pay the consequences for my actions right or wrong. I'm ok with pulling my gun and using it in a situation of that magnitude. I'm well aware that there is lawyer out there that will try to make me out to be the bad guy. Zimmerman should have know this, and if he didn't well then maybe he shouldn't have been carrying a gun in the first place. Like I said sad story of two knuckleheads.

I am not making a judgment on whether Zimmr is guilty or innocent. Instead, I am making the point that the police are not under any obligation to protect life and property. Ultimately you are. Think about it. If the police were obligated, then they could be sued when someone is robbed or killed.
http://www.disinfo.com/2010/03/the-p...o-protect-you/

Want me to give you more to show that the police are not obligated to protect you?
Just food for thought. What if Zimmr stopped a guy, had the lethal encounter and in the backpack there was duct tape and a gun? Also the guy had a criminal history of rape and assault. Would your thoughts about Zimmr be different?

It is easy to call the police and "let someone else" handle the situation. It is safe and you feel like you did something. Unfortunately the police cant be there all the time to thwart crime. Mostly they get to crime scenes after the fact and are under no obligation to do otherwise. I am not saying that people should be ready to kill at the slightest hint of criminal activity, but getting involved with a loud "Hey, I am calling the police" or "who are you" when the guy is prowling around you neighbors yard can make a huge difference in possible outcomes. Calling the police, shutting your blinds and resting well knowing the insurance Joe's insurance will handle the situation is not enough. Dont you think it is time that we start taking care of each other and, of course, taking responsibility of our own personal protection?