Zimmerman defense fund is running dry

[knkali]

That's why things are the way they are. Nobody wants to get involved. Look the other way. Call the police.

I'm a get involved kind of guy and these days that's a dangerous thing to be.

Every one can look at anything with different perspectives but this situation is blown completely out of proportion.

I think the race factor is muddying up the waters in a big way too.

Take out that factor and I truly believe everyone would think it was justified.

Remember 1992 LA riots? The cops that beat King(2 white 1 hispanic) were found not guilty and the 4 guys that beat Reginald Denny known as the LA 4 resulted in only 3 getting minor charges. So the racial inequality you mentioned seems to go both ways.

[jocko]

again hindsight is 20-20. the caseis gonna be aboutthe law STAND URGROUND. I think zimmerman will win on that law. Stupid is as stupid does. One could alsosay that about poster boy to, when he decided to confront that individual with agression. He wa snot a paid neighbor hood watch person, so no one could have any real authority ove rhis right to carry. anyone in my neighhbor hood can callhim the neighborhood watch man, doesn't meanI approveof him . He cal callhimself the messiah to, It is his right.
Not sure the DOJ has a budget for this trial. they are out t hang Geroge, , Now on the other side kthey need money to defend him, they can't bleed him, he is broke, he has to rely of outside funding if it is avaialable. I am sure his attorney willbe asking the courts soon to provide some financial assistance towards this case3.

WHITE ON BLACK IS A NO NO..

[getsome]

That is the point here, If the Courts start issuing verdicts and punishments only on what will please the public and prevent a riot that will burn down down the city and not based on the facts and what is legally right in a case then our whole criminal justice system isn't worth spit....

Was it right and fair the four street punks got off with a wrist slap for caving in Reginald Denny's head for stopping at the wrong red light because if they had of convicted those 4 thugs the local good citizens would have finished burning down the rest of LA...

This is becoming mob rule kangaroo court...If they convict Zimmerman for anything other than bad judgement and he gets jail time to prevent the citizens from rioting again we'll know for sure!!!

[Popeye]

I've been around the block a few times and I've skated on the thin ice of right and wrong to many times in my life. I'm 66 years old and I can tell you I'm not going around the neighborhood like some sort of self proclaimed Wyatt Earp looking for BG,s. If I see something going on I'll alert the Popo or who ever answers the phone, but don't give me that nonsense that I'm obligated to do anything more. That's BS. Like I said my obligation first and foremost is to my family, not to rid the world of what I view as suspected BG's. There are people who look at me when I'm on my Harley who might first look at me like I'm some sort of BG. That doesn't mean I am. Most people when they get to know me find out I'm just the opposite. They also know that if you can't handle the truth then don't ask me the question. I don't ever feel the need to hitch my wagon to anyone elses because it's not what they believe. There is no way anyone is going to tell me what my obligations are in these types of situations ,then in the same breath tell me what the cops obligations are not in the same situation. That's total nonsense
You might get some fool like Zimmerman to believe that but don't try to sell me on that brand of idiotic BS. As mentioned by others just because Zimmerman had a gun doesn't mean he's any sort of brother in arms or hero to me.

[knkali]

I've been around the block a few times and I've skated on the thin ice of right and wrong to many times in my life. I'm 66 years old and I can tell you I'm not going around the neighborhood like some sort of self proclaimed Wyatt Earp looking for BG,s. If I see something going on I'll alert the Popo or who ever answers the phone, but don't give me that nonsense that I'm obligated to do anything more. That's BS. Like I said my obligation first and foremost is to my family, not to rid the world of what I view as suspected BG's. There are people who look at me when I'm on my Harley who might first look at me like I'm some sort of BG. That doesn't mean I am. Most people when they get to know me find out I'm just the opposite. They also know that if you can't handle the truth then don't ask me the question. I don't ever feel the need to hitch my wagon to anyone elses because it's not what they believe. There is no way anyone is going to tell me what my obligations are in these types of situations ,then in the same breath tell me what the cops obligations are not in the same situation. That's total nonsense
You might get some fool like Zimmerman to believe that but don't try to sell me on that brand of idiotic BS. As mentioned by others just because Zimmerman had a gun doesn't mean he's any sort of brother in arms or hero to me.

I think most of this post was directed to me so I will reply directly to it. Calling what I said BS and idiotic is offensive. I certainly feel you have the right to disagree; however, please do so without the name calling. I hope in the future we can have an exchange without this sort of degradation. As far as what the police are obligated to do or not do, I posted a link supporting the facts. If you want to ingnore them it is up to you.

[Bawanna]

I think I was a major recipient as well but be that as it may I think this cow has been milked.

Anyone offer up a reason we shouldn't just close this one and move on.

No rush, you have 15 seconds.

[Scoundrel]

I think we can all agree on these things:

1. It is a good idea to call the police when you suspect that a crime is being committed.
2. It takes the police way too long to respond when a crime is under way.
3. The police have, in many cases, stated that they do not accept responsibility for a failure to stop the crime, or make any guarantees that they will do so.
4. Just as sailors are obligated (in fact legally required) to assist another vessel in distress, we as human beings have some level of obligation to help other human beings when they are being victimized.

However, none of these statements are 100% unassailable black and white things. None of them will stand up to one extreme or the other. Each of them must be considered with the circumstances that go with them, and there are cases where it is not only ill-advised, but extremely foolish to get involved.

Let's not start arguing among ourselves about who should do what, regardless of what personal risk is involved, in hypothetical situations.

Chasing a shady character around the neighborhood with no evidence of a crime being committed is a lot different from facing down a thug with a bloody knife standing over a victim laying on the ground with torn clothing.

I like to think that when the situation is appropriate, and it really counts, all of us would intervene.

So let's leave this confrontation behind.

[knkali]

I think we can all agree on these things:

1. It is a good idea to call the police when you suspect that a crime is being committed.
2. It takes the police way too long to respond when a crime is under way.
3. The police have, in many cases, stated that they do not accept responsibility for a failure to stop the crime, or make any guarantees that they will do so.
4. Just as sailors are obligated (in fact legally required) to assist another vessel in distress, we as human beings have some level of obligation to help other human beings when they are being victimized.

However, none of these statements are 100% unassailable black and white things. None of them will stand up to one extreme or the other. Each of them must be considered with the circumstances that go with them, and there are cases where it is not only ill-advised, but extremely foolish to get involved.

Let's not start arguing among ourselves about who should do what, regardless of what personal risk is involved, in hypothetical situations.

Chasing a shady character around the neighborhood with no evidence of a crime being committed is a lot different from facing down a thug with a bloody knife standing over a victim laying on the ground with torn clothing.

I like to think that when the situation is appropriate, and it really counts, all of us would intervene.

So let's leave this confrontation behind.

I love you Scoundrel, well said.

[ORSalesRep]

If my opinion leaned one way, it would be that Zimmerman should not be convicted. I do agree that he used poor judgement in not just alerting the police of his concerns and end it at that. Pursuit either armed or unarmed was foolish. He was on a neighborhood watch and to me, that means observe and report. He did this by noticing something he felt was suspicious and calling 911. He was not on a neighborhood reaction/response team. He over stepped the scope of his responsibilty by pursuing Martin. To claim self defense, it is very important not to do anything that could have been precieved as escalating the situation and because of his following of Martin, one could argue that action escalated the situation.

Unfortunately, the reality here is that if this was a white on white, black on black or black on white shooting with all the facts remaining the same, it would have ended with local law enforcement's release of Zimmerman and no charges filed. Shame on our government for appointing a special prosecutor strictly for political reasons without any regard for right or wrong. Also, shame on the mainstream media for twisting the facts initially and displaying a five year old photo of Martin in order to inflame the public outrage. They alway seem to throw gas on the fire. Why isn't there a organization which the media is held accountable by? Pharmaceuticals, Medical Devices, etc., are kept in line by the FDA. The Stock Market has the SEC. Pubilic Transportation has the TSA. Airline industry has the FAA. I could go on and on! However, with all the power that the media has to shape public opinion, I just don't understand how they get away with the misuse of their power. If the mainstream media ever reported a story that was so completely inaccurate that the public panic or outrage lead to rioting resulting in loss of life, would they get away with it like everything else they get away with?

[Bawanna]

Also shame on the rodent in the White House for making the statement if he had a son he'd look just like Tryvette or Tyrone, I forget the name now.

What possible help could that provide with situation.

That's kind of making a statement if I ever heard one.

[ORSalesRep]

Also shame on the rodent in the White House for making the statement if he had a son he'd look just like Tryvette or Tyrone, I forget the name now.

What possible help could that provide with situation.

That's kind of making a statement if I ever heard one.

Bawanna, I ranted enough....please don't even get me started on that Piece of Sh** imposter of a U.S. Citizen illegally occupying the White House while he continually does everything in his power to use the Consitution as his own personal toilet paper!

[jocko]

ur right greatone, probably outta put this thiNg to rest until trial starts and then we can rehash it as it goes on, in the meantime ol jocko is getting in line to buy a $100 of the Rosa PaRKs commerative stamps. I am so glad u don't have to lick um though. jUST SAYIN

[knkali]

Also shame on the rodent in the White House for making the statement if he had a son he'd look just like Tryvette or Tyrone, I forget the name now.

What possible help could that provide with situation.

That's kind of making a statement if I ever heard one.

While I am a little kinder to the Office of the President even if I am not a supporter of the current tenant, I agree with the above 1000%. I thought that comment was completely out of line and not very presidential.

Rodent? Do you take time to think these up or do they just pop out as you type?

[Bawanna]

I've never been much for holding back, I pretty much speak what I believe to be true. So I guess the short answer is they just pop up.

Due to offending some previously who feel I need to respect the office of the president I've apparently subconciously strived to come up with non racially motivated descriptors. Think "Monkey", "Missing link" etc. I hate myself.

As for respect for the office, as soon as we get a real president I'll have nothing but proper respect.

[tv_racin_fan]

If Zimmerman had followed the instructions he was given and stayed where he was at his vehicle, instead of following the kid, we wouldn't be discusing any of this and the kid would still be alive and Zimmerman wouldn't be in the situation that he is.

Zimmerman was told that he couldn't be armed during his time as a citizen or crime watch volunteer but he chose to be.

Zimmerman is an as*&%$*!

According to what I understand he was not "on watch", he was headed out to go shopping. Thus it was perfectly fine to go armed.

Also according to what I understand and the 911 tape seems to bear witness he stopped following Trayvon when he was told to do so. According to the time line I have seen he was apparently walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked.

Now I wasn't there and I can not say 100% what occured BUT the evidence I have heard (911 tape) seems to show what I have seen to be correct.