Zimmerman defense fund is running dry

[Tinman507]

I do agree with Popeye that this is 2 knuckleheads who's lives are changed forever.

However......

Because Zimmerman has now become a USDOJ Object lesson and Political pawn, I think it behooves all of us to get involved. Under any other rational thought process, he would have gotten off or never been charged. this ramped up because of political agendas, nothing more. If this is allowed to go unchallenged, you or I could be next.

[MikeyKahr]

Re: Zimmerman defense fund is running dry

Couldn't have said better myself.
I gave up being responsible for others the day I retired from LE...almost 16 years ago now.
I carry to defend myself and my wife IF required.

Someone's not getting dinner tonight. I'm with Popeye on this too.

[knkali]

funny, many here are about defending liberty and fighting the good fight and people taking responsibility, and not counting or relying on the government to have our best interests in mind. However, when called upon to get involved at a basic level for the protection of life and property of others(without lethal force) the sentiment is that it is the responsibility of someone else to do so. I always say that if we cannot govern ourselves we will always rely and need someone else to do it for us. Golden rule goes both ways. Next time you leave your home vacant for a vacation, do you call the local police and let them know you will be away and to pay extra attention to your property or do you ask a neighbor to keep an eye on things while you are away. If you call upon a neighbor then deep inside you do agree with me.

[getsome]

This case is very interesting for a couple of reasons....Unfortunately in the world we live in today it is in one's best interest to be a neighborhood watchman so long as the neighborhood stops at your property line and the street but if you or your family are attacked either at home or in public then things change and it's game on....

This IS a very important case for us CCW folks and IMPO yes Zimmerman was a fool to be armed and following anyone, that IS the job of the Police but he did so and whatever his reasons or anyone else's personal opinion here these are the cold hard facts we must look at....

First whatever happenened up to the time that Travon's fist hit Zimmerman's face doesn't matter diddly squat....Once fist touched face everything changed and the issue is if you are leagally CCW and a much larger stronger person attacks you and has you down on the ground trying to kill you and you are in fear of losing your life why would it not be your legal right to use deadly force to stop the situation under the stand your ground law???...Zimmerman didn't know if Travon was armed with a knife or firearm and didn't have time to worry about it becasuse he was about to become unconscious from having his head caved in so he did what anyone else here would have done and stopped it and THAT is the ONLY thing the courts need to look at....

Second, This is not a national news case....Shootings go on every day in this country and barely make the local paper....What makes this case newsworthy is that an armed white man killed a black teenager...If it had been a black man killing a white teenager or a black man killing another black teenager then no big deal!!!!....That folks is the sorry state of what makes this case VERY important if you happen to be white and carry a gun for self defense and you must be aware of the consequences and be ready to defend yourself not only against a gang banger street thug but also against Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Eric Holder and even the President of the United States because after all that could have been his son....So there I said it, Ban me if you want but the truth is the truth and sometimes the truth hurts!!!
















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[jocko]

black on black news media doesn't give it 5th page coverage.
white on white, never makes the papers even
black on white. it mihgt bet 5th page coverage..
white on black, gets front pade,, all liberal TV stations.

Just the way it is. They won't convict him. U can call zimmerman a pretend wanna be cop, doeksn'tmake any difference, He had the right todo what he did, marginal but he willbe set free. Broke as hell the rest of his life, but free. And Al Sharpton and Jesse J can then crawl back in their hole(and suck on shwanna brawley) and wait for anutter white on black killing and spring back up again. Sooner than later, thy might even win one for the gipper. Trevor Martin was not a poster boy, That will come out big time.

nope getsome, if they ban u,they gotta take me along with u for ur right on all counts.

I really thinks he needs some outside financial help in his case. hell the government is throwing all OUR money to convict Zimmerman for killing obummers mythical pretend son...

[Harrylee]

getsome BRAVO

[jocko]

hindsight

I'll be honest with my feeling towards this case. IMO this was a case of two knuckleheads that ran across each others paths one night. One was a punk who thought he was a bad ***. The other was an overzealous gun owner cop wanna be who put himself in a no win situation and should have let the cops handle it. Know one was being harmed at the time. One walked away and went to jail the other is no longer with us. With both parties all I can say is play stupid games win stupid prizes.

If I thought Zimmerman was 100%in the right I'd back him, but that's not the case here. At least in my mind it isn't. It's just a sad story of two knuckleheads with no winners.

is always 20-20. no doubt aboutthat. But I never seen one photo of Trevor beaten all over the face,like Ihave with Zimmerman. Once the fight started Florida law preceded COMMON SENSE, IMO. Trust me, Iam 69, if u beat on me,more than likely ur gonna get shot. I have no clue as to why ur beatin onme or what comes after the beating. Indiana law is very similar to Florida's law. I don't go looking for trouble like Zimmerman did either but IMO up untilTrevor attacked Zimmeramn NO LAWS WERE BROKEN..

again the fact is : WHITE ON BLACK Makes news big time and thatin itself pisses me off.

www.gzdefensefund.com/ send a check, by pass pay pal, theyhave raised over 300K since Jan of thisyear, nice kthread about tyhis fund and the need.

[JimC]

If Zimmerman had followed the instructions he was given and stayed where he was at his vehicle, instead of following the kid, we wouldn't be discusing any of this and the kid would still be alive and Zimmerman wouldn't be in the situation that he is.

Zimmerman was told that he couldn't be armed during his time as a citizen or crime watch volunteer but he chose to be.

Zimmerman is an as*&%$*!

[Glock23]

Re: Zimmerman defense fund is running dry

First whatever happenened up to the time that Travon's fist hit Zimmerman's face doesn't matter diddly squat....Once fist touched face everything changed and the issue is if you are leagally CCW and a much larger stronger person attacks you and has you down on the ground trying to kill you and you are in fear of losing your life why would it not be your legal right to use deadly force to stop the situation under the stand your ground law???......

Actually, what happened before the first punch was thrown is exactly what matters, and is a huge part of the case.

Laws like the stand your ground law apply to situations where you did not provoke the incident and are forced to defend yourself. He chose to ignore the advice given to not follow Treyvon. By continuing to follow and attempt confrontation, Zimm technically became the aggressor, regardless of who threw the first punch.

You cannot aggress against someone then choose to defend yourself with deadly force when it becomes apparent that you are going to lose.

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[Bawanna]

My final entry into this thread.

Zimmerman was carrying a POS Keltec, it wasn't like he had a real gun strapped on his hip like a security patrol, I think it was in his pocket.

He was doing his job of patrolling the neighborhood. In his place if I was told I could not carry a gun I would have not followed that rule either or I would not have done the patrol.

He was observing the poster child, from what I see not provoking or inciting a fight.
The poster boy apparently attacked, now Zimmerman goes from observation to defense mode, a whole new ball game. The dispatcher suggested but did not order and the dispatcher order would mean nothing really. Just a point of contact with no authority.

Picture in your mind if the poster boy had killed Zimmerman, where would all this be now. Al and company never would have come out of their hole, it clearly would have been self defense cause Zimmerman was watching him case houses or at the least trespassing on private property.

It's all moot now anyhow, the legal part of the thing is over with. Now it's all political and out of the common folks like us's hands.

[Scoundrel]

BTW, in case anyone's wondering, I am still following this thread that I started. I just haven't had anything more to say on the subject.

In my opinion, innocence or guilt, or "should have done" stuff is all water under the bridge, as Bawanna said.

What I am more interested in now is whether they actually hang this guy, and how badly his lawyers bleed him and anyone who donates money before it's finally done.

[Barth]

Crayon Gang Banger Skittles seemed to be ready, willing and able to
jump on someone and pound their head into the pavement.
If not that day? Then the next.
If not Zimmerman? Then whomever else pissed him off.

Zimmerman used poor judgment and will pay dearly.
But Crayon seemed destined for badness.

That's my "Jocko - Ban Me Now" appraisal of the situation.

[Bawanna]

In my opinion his only poor judgement was he should have shot from the truck and saved the pain and suffering on himself.

I'm done here.

[knkali]

My final entry into this thread.

Zimmerman was carrying a POS Keltec, it wasn't like he had a real gun strapped on his hip like a security patrol, I think it was in his pocket.

He was doing his job of patrolling the neighborhood. In his place if I was told I could not carry a gun I would have not followed that rule either or I would not have done the patrol.

He was observing the poster child, from what I see not provoking or inciting a fight.
The poster boy apparently attacked, now Zimmerman goes from observation to defense mode, a whole new ball game. The dispatcher suggested but did not order and the dispatcher order would mean nothing really. Just a point of contact with no authority.

Picture in your mind if the poster boy had killed Zimmerman, where would all this be now. Al and company never would have come out of their hole, it clearly would have been self defense cause Zimmerman was watching him case houses or at the least trespassing on private property.

It's all moot now anyhow, the legal part of the thing is over with. Now it's all political and out of the common folks like us's hands.

I guess if we never say anything that even remotely questions anothers intent we will never run the risk of offending that person and consequently causing them to attack you? So asking someone who is walking my cul de sac at night and saying you are neighborhood watch and what are they doing here and do they need some help with something is such an agressive act that I am at risk of bodily injury? Since when has something that simple become such a calling out? Is this the reason why people just call the police and then close their blinds? Do rational, law abiding people have this kind of over the top reaction to this line of questioning? Is that the case here in the Zimmr trial?

[Bawanna]

That's why things are the way they are. Nobody wants to get involved. Look the other way. Call the police.

I'm a get involved kind of guy and these days that's a dangerous thing to be.

Every one can look at anything with different perspectives but this situation is blown completely out of proportion.

I think the race factor is muddying up the waters in a big way too.

Take out that factor and I truly believe everyone would think it was justified.