Not trying to start a range war, but ..

[Bawanna]

I call it flip or muzzle flip.

I can get 3 shots out of my 45 while your recovering from your muzzle flip on the 40.

It isn't painful, not even uncomfortable, certainly not unmanly, it's distracting when your anxious to get a second bullet into the face of the perp.

Also with a 45 you only need one, no need for a second shot.

[Barth]

I call it flip or muzzle flip.

I can get 3 shots out of my 45 while your recovering from your muzzle flip on the 40.

It isn't painful, not even uncomfortable, certainly not unmanly, it's distracting when your anxious to get a second bullet into the face of the perp.

Also with a 45 you only need one, no need for a second shot.

My P30 40 really doesn't flip much.
Not sure I can shoot my .45s any faster than my .40s.
But for some reason I'm more accurate with my .45s.

It's kind of a gut check thingy.
But when I'm going out I always reach for a .45.
Plus with the HK Tactical running 12+1 .45 capacity isn't an issue.

[berettabone]

I call it flip or muzzle flip.

I can get 3 shots out of my 45 while your recovering from your muzzle flip on the 40.

It isn't painful, not even uncomfortable, certainly not unmanly, it's distracting when your anxious to get a second bullet into the face of the perp.

Also with a 45 you only need one, no need for a second shot.

I'm surprised that someone of your backround actually believes that stuff................we have all seen one shot percentages, and .40 cal is right there with .45...............as far as muzzle flip, I own a Beretta 96, and a Sig P220 and they feel damn close to me..........apparently, you haven't been shooting the right firearms

[berettabone]

My P30 40 really doesn't flip much.
Not sure I can shoot my .45s any faster than my .40s.
But for some reason I'm more accurate with my .45s.

It's kind of a gut check thingy.
But when I'm going out I always reach for a .45.
Plus with the HK Tactical running 12+1 .45 capacity isn't an issue.

As far as shooting speed, I believe some of what I read, and less of what I see.

[onemule]

WOW................you enjoy shooting .357 and .44 mag, but .40 is TOO snappy for you............sorry, and no offense, but you don't really have a grip....................................

You mean no grip mentally or physically? I didn't mention that I've only shot the .40 in Glock 27 and 23, whereas I shoot the .357 in a heavy frame Dan Wesson and the .44 in a T/C Contender. No snap to those, just raw power and reasonably smooth acceleration. I'd like to see the pressure curves for those different guns. I would expect it would rise much more quickly in the .40 since it was designed for comparatively shorter barrel guns.

[berettabone]

You mean no grip mentally or physically? I didn't mention that I've only shot the .40 in Glock 27 and 23, whereas I shoot the .357 in a heavy frame Dan Wesson and the .44 in a T/C Contender. No snap to those, just raw power and reasonably smooth acceleration. I'd like to see the pressure curves for those different guns. I would expect it would rise much more quickly in the .40 since it was designed for comparatively shorter barrel guns.

You should really try shooting a .40 cal out of something besides a firearm that you can put in a dishwasher...............then you will understand what I am talking about

[Bawanna]

I'm surprised that someone of your backround actually believes that stuff................we have all seen one shot percentages, and .40 cal is right there with .45...............as far as muzzle flip, I own a Beretta 96, and a Sig P220 and they feel damn close to me..........apparently, you haven't been shooting the right firearms

The Beretta 96 and the Sig P220 are comparable frame size (full size). Not polymer frame sub compacts. Big difference.

The reference to one shot percentages (not really existent) was a semi joke.

I love the 40 cal in the right platform, just not in a compact. The 27 Glock is marginal but better for me.
I actually believe very little of anything until I see it or experience it first hand. I'm from Missouri the "Show Me" state. Especially girls but it applies to most other stuff too.
The op is specifically looking for something he can carry in his pocket or boot etc, he didn't mention a dishwasher but I suppose that could be a factor.

I think we're overthinking here actually and I'm starting to get a headache so I think I'll go lie down now.

[garyb]

OH BOY! We're back to the cal bashing session again? I say..."Shoot whatever makes you happy". There are several very competitive gals shooting 40's for IDPA competition who would outgun many here. Anyone can get good with any cal with the correct training and practice....and then that cal becomes his/hers. The muzzle flip in ANY gun is something that becomes part of the shooter's muscle memory for the next shot. You let it happen and push to the next shot. You don't fight it. You work with it and learn to feel the timing of it, like you work the sights and the trigger, etc... It is really not an issue once you become acclimated to it. The flip, snap, whatever you want to call it is an element of that cal in that format, that becomes instinctive to the shooting. Some may feel that they can get off more rounds with their 9 or their 45 than they could with the 40. However, once you see someone really good shoot a 40, you would change your mind about that. Same is true with any cal. Most of the differences are not the cal, but the shooter behind it and the shooter that has learned to adapt to it well.

There is no right or wrong...except only to the individual. It is what you like, have trained with and can shoot well. For many the 40 is sweet to shoot...yep and for competition AND for fun... Same for the 9 and same for the 45. Range time.

AS for putting it in a boot....I'd probably want a 380 in my boot. The 9, 40 and 45 take up too much space under my arches. But that's me.

[onemule]

The op is specifically looking for something he can carry in his pocket or boot etc, he didn't mention a dishwasher but I suppose that could be a factor.

The OP _is_ the dishwasher. Don't have one of those fancy machines.

[b4uqzme]

The OP _is_ the dishwasher. Don't have one of those fancy machines.

You gettin' anything out of this onemaytag?

[onemule]

You gettin' anything out of this onemaytag?

Actually, the insights offered on this thread have been very valuable to me so far. Since I only recently found out Kahrs exist, this discussion is particularly helpful. At this point, I would feel comfortable with their reliability for my application, and I particularly like the sizes available. I don't feel as if I have to have a Glock or a revolver anymore, although a Glock might tempt me if they made something competitive in size, especially in width. Kahr seems to have filled a gaping hole in the Glock lineup with the PM and CM series. I just wish the CM45 were available.

I realize opinions vary widely and sometimes strongly on calibers, but that doesn't put me off. I'm probably as opinionated as anyone else. I just filter through any posts that might seem off-target and try to pick up useful input. And, I enjoy the banter.

Well, guess I'd better get to the dishes. They've piled up pretty badly this week. Good thing I have a lot of them. I figure a bachelor should have either no more dishes than enough for one meal or lots and lots. Having had a good size family, I am left with lots and lots. Most of the time I keep up with them, but sometimes when things are busier than usual I just wash them as I need them. But then, guns are more important than dishes, right?

[berettabone]

All I am saying is, don't overlook a cm or pm40..................and don't overlook the caliber.............................too many people thinking that the .45 is the holy grail. Get to those dishes..........................

[WLEEP]

Hello 1mule,

I just fold a standard washcloth in half and nestle the the barrel of the gun in it and drop it into my cowboy boot.

Workboots? Renegade ankle holster (the best) for me.

[tv_racin_fan]

Dunno what sort of pockets you have on them dungarees you wear but IF I couldn't trusy my Kahr I wouldn't allow my wife to carry one.

[b4uqzme]

I realize opinions vary widely and sometimes strongly on calibers, but that doesn't put me off. I'm probably as opinionated as anyone else. I just filter through any posts that might seem off-target and try to pick up useful input. And, I enjoy the banter.

Well, you're gonna get along here just fine. Glad you are makng some headway.