What part of range safety don't you understand?

[b4uqzme]

Thanks everyone for indulging me. Especially Barth. I mean no offense.

To agree with Barth's argument means that one person's perceived safety is worth sacrificing everyone's Constitutional right. That is the very argument that the gun control advocates are making.

This discussion (to me at least) is no longer about safety but about our rights. We all agree that safety is good. I hope we also agree that more government is bad.

As a society we often go astray. Someone or some group sees something wrong or dangerous. So they try to fix said result by making everyone comply with their wishes. I prefer we address the cause.

In this example the result is poor, unsafe handling practices of some gun owners. Option A: create a law that requires safety education for all gun owners. That's the quick fix. Option B: address what is lacking in our society and our gun culture that breeds people with little respect for firearm safety. The cause. OP did that when he called the unsafe shooter out. Option B is extremely difficult but the better course in my opinionated opinion.

[Barth]

Everything is a stepping stone towards further restrictions.

And you welcome someone that doesn't know the four basic rules of gun safety
to own a gun and come shoot next to you at the range?

[b4uqzme]

And you welcome someone that doesn't know the four basic rules of gun safety
to own a gun and come shoot next to you at the range?

Yes I do. I will be glad to help them to the best of my ability.

[jocko]

I would

And you welcome someone that doesn't know the four basic rules of gun safety
to own a gun and come shoot next to you at the range?

bet Bawanna working in the LEO inviroment could tells ome real horror stories about piss poor gun safety that many officers show, AND THEY ARE SUPPOSABLE TRAINED . far beyond what any state regulated ccw course would ever have.

U can't regulate stupidiity

[Barth]

Yes I do. I will be glad to help them to the best of my ability.

If you live long enough to help them - LOL.
It's better to deal with a potential accident before it happens.
After can be way too late.

The range I shoot at has bullet proof glass between the stations.
And there's bullet strikes everywhere...

[Barth]

bet Bawanna working in the LEO inviroment could tells ome real horror stories about piss poor gun safety that many officers show, AND THEY ARE SUPPOSABLE TRAINED . far beyond what any state regulated ccw course would ever have.

U can't regulate stupidiity

But you can improve safety.
I'm sure if they were completely untrained, like the wild west, things would be worse.

[b4uqzme]

I'm alive to type this. But thanks for the well wishes.

[jocko]

If I was at a range where there was unsafeshooting practices where range officers were at,I would go to the range officer before I would confront the shooter himself.Let people in control take care of it.If they did nuttin, I would leave and never come back.

I bein a 165# 70 year oldc oger would certainly think twice about confronting an unsafge shooter who might be over 200 #and early30's. I am sure like road rage there is such a thing as range rage.

[Barth]

We as the firearm owners need to be self policing. We need to insist anyone we shoot with or near or at our clubs and ranges get training. We need to promote the NRA and other firearms groups and promote the safe handling courses and youth safety programs. It needs to be us.

The second the government gets involved, you end up with Obamacare.

The government got involved with concealed weapon permits.
And that worked out great.

I don't want just anyone owning and carrying concealed weapons.
And can't imaging how that could possibly be self policing.

Big Government = BAD.
No Government = BAD too.

[Barth]

If I was at a range where there was unsafeshooting practices where range officers were at,I would go to the range officer before I would confront the shooter himself.Let people in control take care of it.If they did nuttin, I would leave and never come back.

I bein a 165# 70 year oldc oger would certainly think twice about confronting an unsafge shooter who might be over 200 #and early30's. I am sure like road rage there is such a thing as range rage.

I couldn't agree more.
Although I'm built like a Navy Seal.
And am a 3rd degree Black Belt.
Anyone can pull a trigger.

One range officer I spoke with had to throw some folks out
that were clearly drunk.

Unbelievable...

[jocko]

no more comment from me,were just geting into the arguing stage and the next thing will be the colonel coming in and acting like our government and setting a rule and regulation whether we like it or not., because he thinks that is the safeway to end it.

[Barth]

Time for Thursday Night Football!

Be Safe Everybody!

[chrish]

Barth, have to disagree on the 'concealed permits turned out well' argument. It hasn't. Liberal/Progressive states have made it virtually impossible to get one and have prevented me from being able to visit and be armed. So, we pursue reciprocity. That will not turn out well either if you ask me. If the feds get involved, it'll be worse. Lowest common denominator will win and we'll all be issued permits like NY and CA, basically NOT.

The only FAIR solution is full compliance w/ the 2A in all 50 states. No infringement. No permits. No training. Period. Not gonna happen, I know, just my belief in how it should be.

As for the safety aspect and requiring some kind of training. I have to agree w/ the 'no way no how' position that folks like b4uqzme are articulating very well. Cars and guns are not the same thing and DLs do not prevent road rage, violence, and accidents w/ cars involved. As for lawn mowers and chainsaws, yes, those don't typically hurt other people when used inappropriately, but sometimes they do. Neither do guns, but sometimes they do.

But other things do if we want to REALLY run that analogy out.

Bow and arrow. Gonna get state run training to go do some archery w/ your kids now?

Fireworks, legal in plenty of states. you can burn your neighbors house down or mame a neighborhood child w/ them. So, do we all get training in those states where they are legal on safely operating fireworks?

Gas grill or deep fat fryers. Neighbor nearly burned his house down and the one next to it w/ a deep fryer a few thanksgivings back. Gas grill training?

Where does it end?

Smoking? I don't smoke, never have, never will. I don't want to smell it anywhere in public and we've solidly proven that second hand smoke is dangerous. So, all smokers need to be trained and also go thru some sensitivity training on respecting other peoples personal space?

No. No. No.

Sorry. I don't do football. So I didn't have anything else to do but respond...been out of touch since last night and had forum withdrawal :-)

[tv_racin_fan]

The issue is always about how much are YOU willing to be MANDATED to spend to get that MANDATED certificate of firearm safety.

Are you willing to travel to another state to get that certificate? Check Washington DC for that one, they have no range so they have no place to do the training and testing to get that certificate.

[Tinman507]

The government got involved with concealed weapon permits.
And that worked out great.

I don't want just anyone owning and carrying concealed weapons.
And can't imaging how that could possibly be self policing.

Big Government = BAD.
No Government = BAD too.

I'm not saying do away with permits. I think that DOES serve a useful purpose. It filters out folks who shouldn't have firearms from getting them legally.

My issue is with mandatory government run or sanctioned training. It's too easy to tweak it into a ridiculous exercise.