well well well another school mass shooting...

[ltxi]

I understand what you are saying. However, a few questions. Did mass killings come along with AR15's? If a deranged individual can't get one does it stop him? If they were lavender would it help? As far as the law goes, in the last 8 -10 years gun related crime convictions are lower than ever (Chicago? Baltimore, etc.). Why? Is there not a law against murder or do criminals not care about the laws on the books. Why would they care about another one? The gun grabbers aren't just out to get AR15's. They have stated plainly all semi-autos must go. Kahrs are semi-automatics. Wouldn't a single shot Kahr be great? They have also stated plainly the Australia laws are their model. As I said before, give an inch - get ready to lose a mile.
Last question.
"But in OTB, black rifle trim they attract the crazies and I think we need to face up to that and proactively deal with it."
What would you suggest?

Answered that in my first post on the subject,

[deadeye]

I understand your what. Question is the how. What type of law, rule or regulation that we don't already have will put a stop to a lunatic bent on mass carnage?

[Barth]

We really need metal detectors and trained armed teachers.
Schools, being unenforced Gun Free Zones, are actually soft target shooting galleries

Mental Illness and our inability as a nation to recognize and deal with it appears to be the underlying issue.

[Bawanna]

I don't think metal detectors are the answer either. Your just creating a more unarmed environment. Lots of kids pack pocket knives, those would go away.
Sheep dogs like myself who ignore the gun free zone rule and would help defend if necessary would no longer be around.

While there are indeed teachers with right thinking minds and warrior mentality, the percentage is extremely small. While I'm all for arming any teacher that wants to be, I also know there are teachers out there that are borderline candidates for the rubber room themselves. If they aren't when they start they might be after a few years in a classroom. I spent a lot of time in classrooms after I was hurt helping teachers out. It's chaotic at best.

Mental is definitely the issue. Trouble is then we deal with the possibility of folks out of spite saying somebody is a nut case.
Folks like us. You see on the news, the individual has an arsenal of 4 weapons including a black rifle with over 200 rounds of ammunition.
That's the mentality we live with these days. With that thinking all of us on Kahr talk and millions like us could be in trouble.

Even though these incidents are horrible and not acceptable there are few and already they blame it on the FBI's failure to act. Have to blame it on somebody or something.
Even if we empty out the prisons (mostly full of mental cases already) there won't be room for all of us with arsenals and therefor mental cases.

[b4uqzme]

^^^ yup, that’s me. The guy with a 4 gun arsenal and 4 boxes of ammo... lol.

The only real solution is not to interfere. Let good people do what they think is best to protect their own...or not.

[ltxi]

I understand your what. Question is the how. What type of law, rule or regulation that we don't already have will put a stop to a lunatic bent on mass carnage?

Now you're just being unnecessarily provocative.

[Armybrat]

Was assigned to a portable classroom for good part of my career in education. My pickup was parked right outside with a 12 gauge loaded with 00 Buck hidden in a floor rack behind the seat.
At least it was something that was accessible only to me. If an incident occurred in the main building, I could get to it in less than a minute. Better than nothing - or maybe not if a shooter targeted my classroom first.
Would have to whack him across his knuckles with a ruler otherwise.

[knkali]

We really need metal detectors and trained armed teachers.
Schools, being unenforced Gun Free Zones, are actually soft target shooting galleries

Mental Illness and our inability as a nation to recognize and deal with it appears to be the underlying issue.

give this man a cigar. Why are there more young crazies is another story though

[knkali]

I don't think metal detectors are the answer either. Your just creating a more unarmed environment. Lots of kids pack pocket knives, those would go away.
Sheep dogs like myself who ignore the gun free zone rule and would help defend if necessary would no longer be around.

While there are indeed teachers with right thinking minds and warrior mentality, the percentage is extremely small. While I'm all for arming any teacher that wants to be, I also know there are teachers out there that are borderline candidates for the rubber room themselves. If they aren't when they start they might be after a few years in a classroom. I spent a lot of time in classrooms after I was hurt helping teachers out. It's chaotic at best.

Mental is definitely the issue. Trouble is then we deal with the possibility of folks out of spite saying somebody is a nut case.
Folks like us. You see on the news, the individual has an arsenal of 4 weapons including a black rifle with over 200 rounds of ammunition.
That's the mentality we live with these days. With that thinking all of us on Kahr talk and millions like us could be in trouble.

Even though these incidents are horrible and not acceptable there are few and already they blame it on the FBI's failure to act. Have to blame it on somebody or something.
Even if we empty out the prisons (mostly full of mental cases already) there won't be room for all of us with arsenals and therefor mental cases.

dang good points there. I appreciate the position that who do we grant the authority to determine who is mental....the slippery slope indeed. While there are some pretty hard and fast behavior profiles that 99.9% of society would deem mentally imbalanced, there are many people who march to the beat of a different drummer that would never be homicidal.

[340pd]

Perhaps one way that would help would to have parents and grandparents like this,

"Grandmother Stops Teen Who Was Allegedly Planning a School Shooting"

https://www.thecut.com/2018/02/grand...-shooting.html

[knkali]

I am very sorry to say this but many more kids are going to have to die and many more will. As long as we have kids that preach this position (see link) with the support of their tax paying parents, more schools will become slaughterhouses. I would give up my weaponry in a second if I felt that it would make the world safer. However, I do not subscribe to that notion. I am sure this article is clearly in support of an agenda but it is a part of this reality like it or not: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wha...id=mailsignout

Where is the news article that interviews a teacher or other responsible adult that said, "if I had my kahr P45 with me, I could have dropped the killer who was 10 feet from me after he got off the first 3 or 4 rounds....."
Aint gonna happen.

I, as most people, do not want to see our educational system resemble a prison yard. However, we can afford these kids more protection than we have now that can be discrete and unobtrusive IMHO. I do not see any other way to protect these kids. After reading the posts in this thread, I have yet to read an alternative.

[Bawanna]

Let me be the first to say I don't really care what any of these kids say and I cry BS to the whole article.

Product of their upbringing and education. Also encouraged and supported by the one sided media. Probably with a few dozen lawyers thrown in for good measure.

The name of the lead protester is also a clue.

I best quit before I lose my stellar reputation as a PC person.

[Ikeo74]

We could start to *** this problem in the bud by ending criminal protection for teens under 18 from being prosecuted for any major criminal activity. I have preached this before, kids under 18 years of age are perfecting their ability to break the law during these ("non prosecuting as an adult years"). They are getting the wrong ideas about following the laws. Criminal behavior starts early in life now and needs more severe punishments.

*** above was N-I-P......I didn't know this was a bad word?????

[deadeye]

Now you're just being unnecessarily provocative.

I did not mean for my post to be provocotive. There are a lot of good posts here with a lot of good ideas. If my asking how some of these might be accomplished in the political climate we are in is provocative, you have my humble apology.

[ltxi]

Let me be the first to say I don't really care what any of these kids say and I cry BS to the whole article.

Product of their upbringing and education. Also encouraged and supported by the one sided media. Probably with a few dozen lawyers thrown in for good measure.

The name of the lead protester is also a clue.

I best quit before I lose my stellar reputation as a PC person.

Now that there be just seriously funny!