Kel-Tec PF9 Vs Kahr PM9

[LatinGunNut]

Just got a new PM9

Have not fired it yet, but planning on doing so soon.
Here are the issues I've seen without shooting the gun:

1) First issue I see is the 6 rd mag not dropping freely. The 7 rd does drop. This is annoying. Mags should drop free so removing them is a one hand operation.
The other hand should be used to reach for the new mag and insert it in the mag well.

2) Slide is too hard to rack. I don't see how after 200 rounds it will loosen to a degree that is practical.

I own an Kel-Tec PF9. The Kahr wins in craftsmanship and quality of materials, but the Kelt-Tec wins in ergonomics and firepower.

Let's see how they compare after shooting them side by side.

[jocko]

wow even ergonomics. shows me you have not done much home work. u should stay with the kel tec. course what the hell do I know, I only owned 3 kel tecs and had to send them all back a total of 17 times. Other than that a great gun...

u should have certainly done some checking before plumking down good money for a gun that already you have criticized the hell out of and YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SHOT IT YET. Welcome tothe forum for how ever long you stay???

[Bawanna]

Take your meds Jocko. Too much vino last night?

Give the poor lad a chance.

[jocko]

PROBABLY RIGHT!! I just hate stupidity though!~!!

[BEARDOG]

LOL...You should send that POS PM9 to me for proper disposal...

[Bill K]

Welcome to Kahrtalk!

I hope the PM9 works out for you and earns a place within your carry system.

I own 2 Kel-Tecs, both P3ATs and like them very much. I'm even a Grand Poobah over at KTOG. I did however, after a lot of consideration going back and forth, choose the PM9 over the PF9. Like so many choices we make there are pros and cons, pluses and minuses to one choice over another.

[CPO15]

To the OP: Jocko got up on the wrong side of the bed, he's a pretty helpful guy overall. Follow the Kahr prep thread in the Kahr-Tech forum, manually rack the slide a few hundred times as well. The mag will drop, use it while watching the games today (I used some paste floor wax on mine and they FLY out now).

I hated my pf9: the PM9 is everything I wanted the KelTec to be but wasn't.

Welcome to the forum, give us a chance.

[MW surveyor]

Welcome and just go out and shoot it and give us a report.

[bonjorno2]

Welcome to the site....

[kpm9]

Welcome Latingunnit.

Ergos can be somewhat subjective and particular to the user. If you think the KT feels better than it does for you.

[LatinGunNut]

Just got a new PM9

Have not fired it yet, but planning on doing so soon.
Here are the issues I've seen without shooting the gun:

1) First issue I see is the 6 rd mag not dropping freely. The 7 rd does drop. This is annoying. Mags should drop free so removing them is a one hand operation.
The other hand should be used to reach for the new mag and insert it in the mag well.

2) Slide is too hard to rack. I don't see how after 200 rounds it will loosen to a degree that is practical.

I own an Kel-Tec PF9. The Kahr wins in craftsmanship and quality of materials, but the Kelt-Tec wins in ergonomics and firepower.

Let's see how they compare after shooting them side by side.

I'm sure I'll be fine with the gun, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that my expectations were too high. For a relatively expensive gun I should not expect to have any problems.

But based on your responses I see some of you are offended. I'm sure I'd like it.

PS

I did the 500 rack thingy. Maybe it's smoother, or I'm stronger after all that excersise

[jeepster09]

I was able to make my Kal Tec cost as much as a Kahr.....

[RUT]

>>I did the 500 rack thingy.<<

Rather than do that, I shot mine 300 times. It was much more enjoyable.

[TheTman]

Welcome LatinGunNut. I think if you give the PM9 a chance, and give it a good breaking in, you'll take a liking to it. I considered a PF9 but ended up with a CW40. I like the added punch the .40 gives you. The guns were very close in size, the PF9 being a bit slimmer. I did a lot of research on both guns before making my purchase, and there seemed to be a great deal more negative reviews on the PF9 with many trips back to the factory, than on the Kahrs. Of course every gun has problems here and there, but the Kel-Tec just seemed to have way more bad press than the Kahr's did. Hell you'd never buy a gun if you took all the bad press to heart. At least Kel-Tec, (and Kahr) has excellant customer service. The Kahrs have very tight tolerances from the factory, and really need a good breaking in before you trust your life to one. I've been spending my spare time racking the slide on my CW45 waiting until Monday to get to the range, weekends being such a madhouse, while Monday mornings many times you're the only one shooting.

[kahrseye]

I owned a PF9 and the only gun that shot worse than it was it's .32 cal brother. I don't care for the Keltecs. I think you're going to love the PM9. It shoots straight and carries like a dream, whether pocket carrying or otherwise. Good luck with yours and welcome to the asylum.