Kel-Tec PF9 Vs Kahr PM9

[recoilguy]

The only gun I have ever shot that hurt my hand and I hated shooting was a Kel Tec. The Kahr is by far the superior gun. Good Luck with your new weapon.

RCG

[GadsdenGalt]

There is no way the original poster was being serious.

The PF9 is THE WORST HANDGUN I have ever shot. My hands prefer wasp stings to firing a kel-tec, the trigger has the smoothness of a nutcracker, and there are happy meal toys put together with more care. My little brother has one because he is a broke college student that cannot easily conceal his full size M&P. His poverty does not excuse his purchase of the kel-tec.

I can shoot my Pm9 all day long. Even high pressure ammo is not a problem. I would rather gather the bullets shot from my pm9 and throw them than shoot any keltec. They are garbage. Guns are important, why anyone outside of a poor person in immediate danger would purchase a kel-tec is beyond me.

[RUT]

Now don't sugar coat it... tell us how you really feel!!

[jocko]

damn: gadsdengalt. u took the worrds right out of my mouth. glad I didn't say that though, as I would have had a pm from one of the mods for sure. I kinda draw someones attention..

why sugar coat it?? huh..

[Bawanna]

I wanted to say the same thing but I probably would have had to put myself on 30 day hiatus and what would you guys do without me to harass, take your jabs, and generally be myself.

Friends don't let friends carry Kel Tec's.

[LatinGunNut]

There is no way the original poster was being serious.

The PF9 is THE WORST HANDGUN I have ever shot. My hands prefer wasp stings to firing a kel-tec, the trigger has the smoothness of a nutcracker, and there are happy meal toys put together with more care. My little brother has one because he is a broke college student that cannot easily conceal his full size M&P. His poverty does not excuse his purchase of the kel-tec.

I can shoot my Pm9 all day long. Even high pressure ammo is not a problem. I would rather gather the bullets shot from my pm9 and throw them than shoot any keltec. They are garbage. Guns are important, why anyone outside of a poor person in immediate danger would purchase a kel-tec is beyond me.

When you can't explain why people do something is usually because you are wrong; unless you are smarter than all those people.

[Willieboy]

Never shot a PF9 and don't have a dog in this race. Welcome to KahrTalk and enjoy both your guns.

[jocko]

One should not just judge a kahr or a kel tek based on hear-say. If you owned one and had issues, then IMO it qualifies you to call either one a POS. I feel my comments made either way are just that--MY COMMENTS One can refute them, that is the way the game works. Probably shold not be bashing kel teks anyway oh this forum or any other gun. Many are pleased with kel teks. they have sold hundreds of thousands of their tiny little guns, At one time they were the only kid on the block and most of us were kinda forced into them. Some never had any issues as far as going bang. They are not a pleasant gun to shoot, nor do they have a trigger worth a darnn either, but they are what they are a $300 gun that will normally (today) go bang and save your life. Some still swear by them, also some still swear at them. We have seen on this forum kahrs called POS, so we are not immune either. No doubt some kahrs are indeed POS. I never felt like a kahr should be compred to a kel tek or vice versa. A kahr is about 2.5 price points above a kel tek, It better be a better gun all around. Going bang is just one part of a great gun as we all well know. Threre is no comparision IMO between a kahr and a kel teck . You get what you pay for (most of the time) and if just going bang is all that matters, then $300 for a kel teck is a great buy. With the many sub 9's out there today and sub 380's I have no doubt that the kel teck today is far down the line of the great selling gun they once was...

[Narkcop]

I owned a Kel-Tec and it was a POS. FTF,FTE,double feed. You name it (Malfunctions) and it did it. I don't think I should have to fluff and buff a defensive firearm to get it to MAYBE work. My PM9 and LC9 both functioned perfect right out of the box. I even shot steel case russian ammo thru the LC9.

[jocko]

there u go. I forgot the ol FLUFF AND BUFF thing. I think that saying was invented on the kel tek forum to, along with their phrase. SHOOT SELDOM AND CARRY OFTEN. Like you I had tons of issues with my 3 kel teck. sent all 3 back a total of 17 times before I couold get them reliable enough to sel lthem off, broken barrel lugs, cracked slides , recopil springs coming out the front of the slide,major major stuff. There turn around time on service was from 4 to 8 weeks, never faster than that, at least forme they were not. The time that I owned the 3 kel teks, my guns were in at their factory more than the actual time they wer ehome with me, but like I stated, they were the only game in town back then. One thing I was confused about was that the alloy frame had the serial jumber on them and I ahve been told by federal law that a serial number is born and eis with that exact gun. It cannot re redulicated. Ihad two frames competely repoaced in my kel teks and they just restamped the same serial jumber on it. Not sure how they got by with that either, . ...

Narkcop. I feel and felt your pain back then to.

[O'Dell]

I bought a P-11 about five years ago. I thought that it's size and capacity would make an excellent carry pistol. I hadn't counted on the worst trigger I've ever felt. It was so long and heavy, I could have lit a cigarette when I started pulling the trigger and finished before the gun fired. I sold it! Then I heard the the PF-9 had a much better trigger, so I bought one. It did have a better trigger [one from the P38T I hear], but it was so ammo sensitive that I never knew whether it was going to shoot or not. Not ideal in a carry pistol. I sold it!

Then I bought a CW9 which was just a hair bigger the the PF, had a decent trigger, and always fired when I pulled the trigger. I've since had two more Kahrs with a fourth on the way, and never had a problem with any of them. I don't know about the original poster, but I've made my decision about the two brands.

BTW, the PM9 is quite a bit smaller than the PF-9, and will fit just about any pocket.

[O'Dell]

As will the PM40 for us .40 S&W fans.

Yeah, I know, but I have 1500 rounds of 9mm, with nothing much to shoot it, so I got the 9.

[Bill K]

Shoot a little carry a lot? Simple solution, buy two - one for practice and one for carry. The one you carry could save your butt.

Bill K.

[jocko]

good for u. I at one time owned 3 of them, seemed one was always back at the factory, so I had a spare to my carry peace then..

[O'Dell]

Makes sense to me.

Following the same logic, before ponying up for the PM40, I almost bought PM45 at a local gun show. It was a bargain at $525 and would have gone well with our stock pile of .45 ACP. But, it did not fit in my pocket.

That's the reason I chose the PM9 [other than the ammo] rather than get another PM45. I have plenty of 45ACP. I do have three 40's now, a compact M&P, Small and light and a great shooter; a S&W 4043, accurate but a hard trigger pull; and a HK USP 40, almost the perfect pistol.

I shot the HK a week ago Friday. The mags hold 14 so it takes a while to go through one. On the third reload of the two mags, I released the slide and pulled the trigger; click; I reached up and cocked it and again, click. My first thought was " this is an HK and they never fail". Then I glanced down at the counter and saw two loaded mags! Even an HK won't shoot with no ammo.