So I'm a Little Unconventional...

[jocko]

yes

You've shed alot of light on yourself that was probably unknown to many of those who you may have butted heads with here and or elsewhere.

The fact that your a relatively brand new member of the handgun world more clearly explains your aprehension in carrying a loaded chamber. Many many new shooters are that way and who can blame them. I"m a little that way with a new gun. I want to get to know it before I load it and carry it.

Many refuse to own a gun that doesn't have some sort of external manually operated safety of some sort. Thats ok too. I know some like that that are actually ok with Glocks? How silly is that.

Right now your probably lacking in confidence (and thats a good thing). Kahrs are incredibly safe, very forgiving in the accident department.

There will come a time when you'll get comfortable and you'll carry with that chamber loaded. It might be a long time before you go the 1911 cocked and locked route and maybe that day will never come and your no less of a man for that either.

RESPECT has to be earned and your post here went along way in my book to do just that.

Keep shooting, keeping bonding and you'll eventually have no worries with that Kahr fully loaded.

indeed, his comments puts a whole new perspective n his thoughts . I know had I know tha tI wold have probably be less critical and more suggestive.

Being new to anything is when most questions should be ask IMO not directives given . In time he will carry with one in the pipe, if he feels confident with the weapon of his choice. So Little artisan, join the kahr forum, we (I) all like you and we are here to help, although some like Bawanna get alittle out of hand and we have to reel him in once in awhile. Listen to ol jocko, he is wise, SUPERLLY KIND AND GENTLE and really does want to help..

[aray]

Ray, I understand & agree. What I don't understand is how are kids different today. My dad's guns were always out or in the corner with ammo right beside them. My kids were raised the same way. No one ever thought of messin' with them. We did get to shoot a lot with dad & my kids with me. Is it the no discipline of today where so many parents just let their kids do whatever they want with no consequence what so ever?

I agree. Look at some of the old TV shows for the way life used to be: The Andy Griffith Show comes to mind. Look in the corner near one of the doors & you'll see a rifle propped up against the molding around the door. Opie & his friends wandered around loose and there the guns sat. Ditto Lassie. And so on. Yes, these were just TV props with actors - but they put them there because in the era the shows were filmed a gun was a common household appliance. Today - not so much.

When I do carry CCW I'm fully locked & loaded. My gun is not peeking out unless I'm in a lethal situation, and fractions of seconds might count. Indeed that's one of the things I like about the Kahrs - no external safety for me to worry if it is in the wrong position or not. Just draw, acquire front sight, bang.

But for the guns around the house not in my immediate control, I keep them locked up in safes. My 12 year old knows not to touch them even if they were out (except when we go to the range - and oh by the way she has decided that it is "her" Uzi...) But the neighborhood kids? Don't trust 'em around guns. Heck my guess is not only are they not trained, but their folks probably wouldn't even let them come over and play if they knew we had guns in the house. (It is Maryland after all...) I can't trust those kids to have any sort of training or common sense in liberal-land.

And even for my own kid, before she was old enough to know better (think 3, 4, 5) I kept them locked up even for her.

Each family has to work out their own solution, because each environment is different, and we're all varying degrees of risk tolerant. Live & let live.

[Thunder71]

I wasn't expecting such a positive flow to this. It's great to read all of the comments this morning, they are all greatly appreciated.

I had a feeling there was some sort of disconnect between my thoughts and the other members, and perhaps it is just my newness to carrying vs other people. Granted, some warm up to the idea much quicker. That said, if I didn't have kids I'd be carrying chambered from day one.

Today, I carry my Kahr PM9 with a round in the chamber and 6 on standby inside my new Garrett Industries Silent Thunder IWB holster and my XDM's chamber loaded indicator is propped up as well as it waits quietly in the nightstand, locked in the pistol case.

I truly appreciate all the words of encouragement, you're a great group of folks and I'm happy to be here.

All the best,
Chris

[Tilos]

Light Artisan:

Have you considered a small revolver, da only, with a key lock in the frame.
No unloading at home, just lock it.
No racking, no empty pipe, etc.

I've done that
just sayin'
Tilos

[Thunder71]

No, I haven't even explored revolvers... might look into it though, thanks!

[mr surveyor]

now, I think I understand this was not about actually carrying a fully charged weapon, rather about small children having access to a fully charged weapon.

Two totally different discussions.

[Thunder71]

No, it was about carrying with one chambered.

[OldLincoln]

>> No, I haven't even explored revolvers... might look into it though, thanks! <<

No difference in carrying a revolver than a Kahr. Both are double action and the trigger must be pulled to fire, and with a chambered round, it will fire.

I recommend that you not carry chambered until you are more comfortable with carrying. Shoot it a lot, get training or train yourself, work it over cleaning and a little buffing. The more comfortable you become the more inclined you may be someday for carrying chambered. But if not, you still have it on you which is infinitely better than leaving it at home.

There is a lot of room for how things are done around here. Heck you should have read the guffaws I got when I set out to build a powder box for reloading. But they died off and I have it and use it and feel better about it. So don't let the naysayers get you down. The ONLY rule is you must hang out on the forum fairly often.

[mr surveyor]

well, if it IS about feeling safe in carrying a charged weapon then I stand by my original suggestion. Carry a cocked but UNLOADED single action pistol around the house, with safety OFF, in a proper holster until you are confident it will not go bang until the trigger is pressed. Even a DA/SA revolver, with hammer back (again, UNLOADED until you are confident) will prove the same point as a semi-auto pistol.

I think there was some confusion added to the discussion with the interjection of the children as a consideration.


surv

[Bawanna]

People say it adds a lot of confusion whenever I post?

[Thunder71]

Haha, yeah I think we are on the right track here. I'll visit often and continue to be an active member. Carrying chambered today after reading all the comments.

Thanks again guys.

[jocko]

and

People say it adds a lot of confusion whenever I post?

as u well know the majority is always right

[OldLincoln]

>> as u well know the majority is always right << HUH?

[TheTman]

Hi Light Artisan, do what you feel comfortable with as far as one in the pipe. I am on the side of carrying one in the pipe, but if you're not comfortable with it, then don't.
I just hope you have both hands free if you're ever in a situation.
I see you are are going to carry one in the pipe today, in a holster. GOOD!!!. No way would I carry a semi with one in the pipe without a holster that covered the trigger guard area. I do sometimes carry my revolver poked down the front of my pants "mexican style" with it's Barami Hip Clip clipped on my belt, but I feel pretty safe due to it's heavy double action trigger pull. I'd feel something going on if the trigger were to snag something.
As far as your kids go. I trained mine from a very early age to respect guns. Not to fear them, but just respect them. I took them and showed them what they would do to a watermelon and they got the idea of what could happen if they played with one. I used to test them by FIRST locking up ALL my ammo, and leaving a handgun out on the coffee table over night. It was never touched. I usually got a little head poking in the bedroom door in the morning informing me I'd left a gun out and needed to put it up. They got big hugs and lots of rewards for doing the right thing. They basically got the NRA Eddie the Eagle training. If you see a gun, don't touch, go tell an adult, etc.
I let them all handle them and ask questions, and once their curiosity was satisfied there was never a problem. Of course when they had guests, things were locked up tight. They all knew there was a loaded shotgun in the closet by the front door (except when we had guests overnight), and to leave it alone. (We had a drug dealer living down the street, and weirdos roaming around all hours of the night) It didn't have one in the chamber, but the tube was full and ready to pump. I think kids are just as responsible now, as they ever were if taught right. Dad always kept a loaded shotgun by his bed, and I knew not to mess with it as far back as I can remember.
Good luck and hope you are able to carry one in the pipe when you get comfortable with the idea.

[Tilos]

OL:
A revolver IS different...hammer can rest on an EMPTY CHAMBER.
We all know the trigger pull raises the transfer bar and a empty cylinder is not necessary but would give L.A. some piece of mind.

I think his concern is the firing pin being partially "retracted" with a round in the chamber.(sorry, not able to use the "c" word).

Of course, and empty cylinder would reduce the carrying capacity of a revolver by one round...BUT it would go bang when you pulled the trigger.
just sayin'
Tilos