So I'm a Little Unconventional...

[OldLincoln]

If a revolver sits with the hammer down on an empty chamber, what happens when the trigger is pulled? When the Kahr has one in the chamber what happens when the trigger is pulled? As for gun drop safety, both are equally safe, and if the trigger is grabbed trying to catch it, equally as dangerous.

Messing with an empty gun and moving the action slowly you can see the safety features at work. That's why I suggested getting familiar by cleaning, and generally messing around with the empty gun. When I did my first detailed slide take down I played with it for quite a while to see for myself how the trigger cams raised the sear block then brought the striker to full **** before releasing it. Funny when you see and understand it, it is both simple and genius, and it works to keep you safe.

[Tilos]

I know the logic...I'm not out of my comfort zone, I'm just trying to help L.A. with options that may best suit HIS logic/comfort zone.

He's the one concerned, a revolver on an empty CHAMBER can be locked that way, can be thrown against a wall all day long and wil not go bang...just like his FEELING about a semi-auto with an empty chamber.
The difference being the revolver WILL go bang when you pull the trigger.

If he sleeps soundly and carries with confidence doing this, regardless of the mechanics, he's better for it.

Just an option of something different, if just for his piece of mind, that's all.
Tilos

[MikeyKahr]

Thanks for sharing

Thanks for sharing your background, Light Artisan. It was very helpful to me to understand previous posts, and with all of the replies, it's easy to tell that it's been helpful all around. I think we've got another case/victime of Kahritis coming on soon!! By the way, don't feel bad about being new to all of this and asking questions. I was more of a newb than you when I first fell head over heels for my Kahr and fortunately found this forum, and voila! Thanks everyone for helping Light Artisan and being the stand-up crew I know you to be, what can I say but I'm glad to be part of this community. By the way, can it really be that Old Lincoln's almost up to the big 1-0-0-0!?!? I think it's time for a party!

[Bawanna]

Wow, look at that 997. Party Time

[MikeyKahr]

Whoa, wait a second...

I thought 1-0-0-0 was unbelieveable....then I looked over and saw you're three away from 7-0-0-0!!!
Holy cow, uncle B - how have you not been fired yet!?

[Bawanna]

I thought 1-0-0-0 was unbelieveable....then I looked over and saw you're three away from 7-0-0-0!!!
Holy cow, uncle B - how have you not been fired yet!?

Holy lightening strikes Batman, I hadn't looked lately. Looks like I've got uncontrolled mad keyboard syndrome or diahrea of the forum post or something.
Can you believe I haven't been fired yet? I better call Dr. Phil, polish his bald head and seek councelling.

Well just ignore this 7 grand thing, let party for Old Lincolns 1000.

[MikeyKahr]

Ignore?

How does one ignore 7000? Sorry, my friend, just can't do it....(look elsewhere)....

[Chief Joseph]

I don't carry one in the chamber of my pm9 either. I have a child in the house and I just don't feel safe yet having it fully ready to fire. I take him shooting and constantly remind him it's not a toy, since he sees me pocket it in the morning as we're leaving, taking him to school and me heading to work. I work by myself in a locked room, so I spend time drawing and racking a round and have gotten pretty quick at it. If that split second it takes me to do it is not long enough, I doubt I'd even have gotten it out in time anyway.

[jocko]

Imo

I know the logic...I'm not out of my comfort zone, I'm just trying to help L.A. with options that may best suit HIS logic/comfort zone.

He's the one concerned, a revolver on an empty CHAMBER can be locked that way, can be thrown against a wall all day long and wil not go bang...just like his FEELING about a semi-auto with an empty chamber.
The difference being the revolver WILL go bang when you pull the trigger.

If he sleeps soundly and carries with confidence doing this, regardless of the mechanics, he's better for it.

Just an option of something different, if just for his piece of mind, that's all.
Tilos

If one has doubts aboutr carrying a semi loaded, a revolver is the best bet. A good one will go bang every time, A good one is safe as hell, many today have internal locks for additional safety. I have said this many times for a woman who is not gun savvy like most men are and that wants a gun, buy her a revolver. She can make it work, she can unload it with ease, she can feel safe with it. She won't shoot it as good as a semi either but 99.995% won't ever have to use it in anger or defense either. We think a woman should have a semi,most women don't know one way or the other. We tend to push our thoughts off on what a woman should have or not have. We tend not to ask them as of course we gun guys know what is best.

any woman can shoot an automatic if it is handed t oher loaded and all she needs to do is pull the trigger, hell my dog can do that Give her one unloaded and see how good she is at it. That is proof of the puddin.Many men are the same way. many never owned a gun, had no need to own a gun, no knowledge of guns either. A new world for many. Revolveris the way for them to IMO. . It would be a boring gun world if there was only one gun that was perfect and every dealer had 100 of that same exact gun in his show case and nothing else..

[billpocz]

Light Artisan,

There really is no logic that can be easily injected into this discussion... Confidence or comfort is a feeling. If you do not yet feel this way regarding carrying with one in the chamber, no lengthy discussions, bullying, directions from internet experts, etc will change your mind... You have to have that confidence, or you will end up feeling as if you have something radioactive in your holster!

When I first started to carry, it was a Sig P6. It has no external safety, but the first shot is DA and it is a heavy pull. It was designed with the heavy pull so that the West German cops did not have the occasion for accidental discharges.

My feeling with my PM45 is the same. It is a long pull to get a round off, and by simply touching the trigger, it is not going to go off. I always use a holster that covers the trigger completely.

Personally, I have a high degree of comfort and confidence with carrying in condition 1 with Kahrs (and Sigs). Glocks, not so much!! Oh, I forgot to mention that I have 3 little ones also (9, 7, and 3, and one on the way in 6 weeks). I do not ever feel that I am putting them in danger, but am able to protect them by being ready.

I hope that as you carry more and more, you will gain confidence in yourself and your equipment.

Bill


ps: Congrats to all of the sky high post count folks!! Workin' on more, workin' on more...

[O'Dell]

I don't see anything unreasonable with anything you expressed. Gun owners can be very opinionated, and I've run into that on quite a few forums over the years - I've even been banned from a couple of them. I don't think you will have that problem here. They even tolerate me.

I can also understand you reluctance to carry with one in the chamber. I have been shooting pistols for over forty years, and I still struggle with that concept. Most of my guns have manual safeties which I prefer, HK's, 1911's, S&W's, but a few do not, SIG's, Kahr, LCP. Obviously, safeties can fail, but I'm still a lot more comfortable with one as an extra layer of protection. As for home defense. I live alone so that's not an issue.

So hang around a while and I think you will be pleased with the good folks here a KahrTalk. They are laid back, understanding, helpful, and extremely generous, but that's another story.

[gear_guy]

I have no problem carrying with one in the chamber, but my first time out I did use the safety. Hell, I am going out tonight with an empty holster. (don't ask)

[jlottmc]

I'm guessing a SCCC protest. I thought about doing that, but too many know that I work here too. Kinda hampers that idea.

[OldLincoln]

Nah, bet where he's going he'll carry it in his hand. "Feeling lucky..punk?"

[jlottmc]

Let me know how that works in the PRK for you there Lincoln.