So I'm a Little Unconventional...

[JimBianchi]

Time and experience will give you the confidence to carry with one in the chamber.

Kahr are very reliable and safe.

You could drop a MK9 loaded 6+1 from a five foot height, bouncing it off a medal step and concrete drive way, watching it turn and bounce in slow motion as the back of the slide hit the ground TWICE and the gun will still not discharge.

And then kick it accidentally and it still won't go bang.

Don't ask how I know....

I started out carrying a Charter Arms Bulldog 44SP in 1988, so the Kahr long trigger doesn't both me a bit.

Because of the internal safeties, I think the Kahr's are even safer than my old 4SP.

Here is a great exercise for you: (Do this safely and with no bullets any where near the pistol, preferably ammo is in another room.)

With an unloaded gun and unloaded magazine put the unloaded mag in the gun and rack the empty gun to ensure it is cocked. Carry the empty gun in your pocket all day, no holster, NO BULLETS.

At the end on the day remove the empty gun from your pocket and dry fire it in a safe direction. (dirt large pile or soft ground is good choice, aiming downward away from everyone and anything)

The gun will go click because the gun is still cocked.

It takes a deliberate pull of the trigger to make it go bang.

Very safe little gun.

[mr surveyor]

sounds like familiar but unnoticed advice

[jlottmc]

Don't worry about it Surv. I get ignored often, then what happens, what I said is the exact fix, and like Dietrich I'm sitting there saying "What'd I say?" Happens all the time, but on the flip side we can go back and say I told you so.

[Rainman48314]

I want to carry with one chambered, I do. I'm actually coming to terms with the fact that I will simply have to carry with my PM9 chambered just for the fact that it's a stubborn mule when it comes to hand racking it. It's a perfect concealed carry weapon in my eyes, so I'm coming to terms with this slowly but surely.

Look into getting a MA version of the PM9. It comes with a manual safety. It still has a DAO trigger but you can carry locked and loaded. I just bought a PM9 and considered it, but I would want a SA trigger.

Another option is to use the left side of the Kahr supplied trigger lock. It's a tight fit and blocks the use of the trigger. Train to push it out during your draw. Regardless of what you do, use a good holster that covers the whole trigger guard.

[jocko]

great idea on the MA PM9, gives rthe carrier two options of carry. Personally for me, he it been offered back then I more than likely would have went with the safety. at my age doing dumb things is quite normal. I would have errored on the side of caution. I bought my son A G19, his first semi, and I don't like the glock trigger afety, so I had the SIDER LOCK.COM installed on it before I gave it to him. finest safety I have ever seen and again my option to have it on or off. Kahrs are about as safe as any non safety gun can be, bit for mje I see a need for an option of a gun with a safety on it.

[OldLincoln]

I recall a drop test of a gun (sorry it may not have been a Kahr, it was a long time ago). He chambered an empty round with a love primer and dropped it from 5' and 10' landing on the barrel and the back end. Then he got a long pipe and taped a guide on the gun and ended up dropping it from the roof of his garage. It never fired. After all that he pulled the trigger and it fired as advertised.

Gun manufacturers are under such close scrutiny that if one had a defective discharge they would likely have liberal lawyers show up in a bus, file a class action on behalf of everybody in the US and try to get laws passed to stop all manufacture of guns. They have to do all they can for safety not only to protect from drops but from unfortunate handling, and even then once in a while...

[O'Dell]

great idea on the MA PM9, gives rthe carrier two options of carry. Personally for me, he it been offered back then I more than likely would have went with the safety. at my age doing dumb things is quite normal. I would have errored on the side of caution. I bought my son A G19, his first semi, and I don't like the glock trigger afety, so I had the SIDER LOCK.COM installed on it before I gave it to him. finest safety I have ever seen and again my option to have it on or off. Kahrs are about as safe as any non safety gun can be, bit for mje I see a need for an option of a gun with a safety on it.

I'm with you Jocko [not about giving my son a Glock - He has two and that's two too many for me] about the safety. Someone posted that with experience, you will feel comfortable carrying one in the chamber w/o a safety. How much experience is required? I bought my first hand gun in 1966 as a service carry, and I'm still not really comfortable with the idea. I guess 45 years isn't enough. For years I never owned anything but Hi-powers and 1911's and both had manual safeties. I shot both on pistol teams and only missed going to the 1968 Olympics because the Navy sent me to SE Asia. Still not enough experience, I suppose. I bought my first pistol w/o a safety in the early eighties, a SIG. I never carried that gun with one in the chamber.

Even today, most of my pistols have safeties. If I had thought about it when the PM9 was ordered, I would have specified a MA gun [my bad] I am 67 years old with countless thousands of rounds fired and years carrying a hand gun. I have never had a ND, and I don't want one this late in the game. I don't care how careful you are, accidents can happen to anyone, and I want that extra margin of a safety.

Rant over!

[jocko]

I guess my questions is ,, "what the hell is the matter with having a safety??

[mr surveyor]

I carried my 1911 cocked and locked for a pretty good spell, as well as an old Star BM (patterned after JMB 1911, but no grip safety). Had no problem sweeping the safety prior to firing, and would normally re-safety after firing a few rounds in an attempt to develop proper habit. My greatest concern (other than actually being forced to use a firearm in a SD situation) is that I would have the awareness in the aftermath to make the firearm "safe" prior to placing it on the ground or re-holstering. The 1911 having the grip safety is a lot less concern than other single action pistols with nothing but the thumb safety. I know that if I shot nothing but the SA's again, the muscle memory would be there in some form or fashion to remind me to automatically engage the safety before the firearm leaves my hand. Having DA handguns removes a step I no longer want to deal with concerning the carry of my SA or DA/SA (would I remember to hit the de-cocker in the aftermath of a SD use?) handguns. Before I added the KelTecs and Kahrs to the rotation I thought life was simple. Now that I have the true quality and simplicity of the Kahr, and 100% confidence in it's carry safety, life is much simpler.

I'm still a young 57-ish, but have found that I question myself quite often in the last couple of years. I'm learning to appreciate "siimple".


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