Accidental discharges

[O'Dell]

I've never shot a Glock, but I've held a few and they are just too big and blocky... AND UGLY... to me.


Wynn

A few years ago my son and I had a shootout. He was a Lt on a local force at the time and as such, had control of the police range. I brought a SIG P225 and P220 and he, being a Glock fan, brought a 19 and a 22. Long story short, I literally 'blew him away' on his own range. Then he had the brilliant idea that we swap guns and do it again. Guess what? He almost beat me using my own guns! As I said - they don't fit my hand and I don't shoot them well. I think that's reason enough to not have one.

As for their reliability, that dept has had three 22 KB's on the range using factory "Lawmen" ammo. Glock was not pleased and replaced the pistols, but they later went to M&P's. My son became chief of another force and now carries a 21.

BTW, Wynn, I also think they're ugly.

[ltxi]

Glocks are what fully enclosed holster trigger guard and "finger off the trigger" training was invented for. The "Safe Action" trigger is a total joke. This is a 5 pound, short pull semi-auto with no safety. Think of a 1911 cocked and unlocked.....essentially the same thing. I wouldn't and don't carry mine that way.

That said, I think Glocks are great "appliance" guns and in the hands of the sane, trained, and understanding perfectly, ok reasonably, safe. I own two. Both in .40 and I wouldn't hesitate to use either for open, belt carry with an appropriate for the breed holster. However, since I don't do that at all anymore, both live in my vehicle consoles (in appropriate holsters) and that's all I really consider them useful for. Inexpensive, there if I need them, dead stone reliable, I shoot them well, and if stolen no real loss.

Yeah, I know, that would be another gun on the street, but "console carry" on work days these days is the best I can do.

[MikeyKahr]

Vapors?

It`s enough to give me the vapors.

I have no idea what the vapors are but they don't sound good. Not one bit. I think they do make something to combat it though, Dietrich, it's called Beano (c) or TM or (R). CMA and all ya know. I think I'd rather have the vapors than the liquids though.

[OldLincoln]

Wikipedia:"The Vapors were a new wave and power pop band from England, that existed between 1979 and 1981. They had a hit with the song "Turning Japanese" in 1980."

[Dietrich]

The vapors is a term I used to hear a long time ago.I don`t know if the term is of Southern origins or what.Websters defines the vapors as A. archaic: "exhalations of bodily organs {as the stomach] held to affect the physical or mental condition." Or B: " a depressed or hysterical mental condition". Personally,I have always associated the vapors with being lightheaded almost to the point of swooning.

[jocko]

u glock guys should look at the sider lock set up for gloc,s not only totallay safe but a safety where it belongs, a safety that if u don't wantt6o use it, then it still utilizes their glock style satety and totally made of machined steel no crapin this system. damdest safety system I have ever had on any gun, no mods needed, forks for right or left shooters. I bought one for my son's first glock and if I buy me another glock, I would do the same thing.



www.siderlock.com

[TucsonMTB]

u glock guys should look at the sider lock set up for gloc,s not only totallay safe but a safety where it belongs, a safety that if u don't wantt6o use it, then it still utilizes their glock style satety and totally made of machined steel no crapin this system. damdest safety system I have ever had on any gun, no mods needed, forks for right or left shooters. I bought one for my son's first glock and if I buy me another glock, I would do the same thing. www.siderlock.com

Here's a quick look at the kit they send. The safety button ends up right on the replacement trigger they supply. Quite elegant!

[Bill K]

I'd feel less safe with a manual safety on my Glock. Clear - draw - point - shoot... Oops! Carrying my manual safetied Glock not my P3AT or PM9. Sorry, no do overs.

Nothing wrong with manual safeties. Just my humble opinion that if you've got more than one gun in your carry system then the manual of arms should be the same for each gun.

Bill K.

[ltxi]

I'd feel less safe with a manual safety on my Glock. Clear - draw - point - shoot... Oops! Carrying my manual safetied Glock not my P3AT or PM9. Sorry, no do overs.

Nothing wrong with manual safeties. Just my humble opinion that if you've got more than one gun in your carry system then the manual of arms should be the same for each gun.

Bill K.

I understand what you're saying but disagree somewhat. Back in the day there were DA revolvers with long trigger pulls, SA revolvers never carried cocked, and mostly SA semi-autos with short trigger pulls and safeties. My current, extended, set of u&c carry arms consists of a PM9 (that I mentally treat as a revolver), two S&W J-frames, a LW 1911 Colt, and a NAA Mini-Mag. They all have their proper place. I'm proficient with all and instinctively switching among them has never been a problem.

Glocks used to confuse my muscle memory. I learned to deal with that by swiping off the non-existent safety when drawing and firing the first shot.

[Jeremiah/Az]

We had an old guy,80, at our gunclub that always carried a Glock unholstered stuck in his pants under his belt on the left side butt forward. I always thought he would shoot himself, but he died of old age. Scary stuff!

[CJB]

Glocks used to confuse my muscle memory. I learned to deal with that by swiping off the non-existent safety when drawing and firing the first shot.

Well that just hit me like a ton of bricks.... due to the nature of the AD's I witnessed in my range duty days.

I'm not gettin' on your case or anything, just trying to reconcile what goes thru peoples heads and apply that to actions that have seemingly mysterious motives. That one guy, retired cop (from the northeast)... said he was lowering the hammer on his Glock, his thumb was all fubar, and we got an unexpected hole in the place. Makes me think: What? And, yah he was mid 60's in age, but also a retired LEO, so at least had "some" training.

There are some people, who can hop on machinery, and work it with precision with almost no training (this lever does that...). They can ride/drive/fly almost any sort of vehicle well, from motorcycle to Cessna. They can grasp the concept of things mechanical - like firearms, and manipulate them correctly without thinking much about it.

Other people - most of us - need deliberate training, repetition, and periodic practice to become proficient.

Other people.... folks... some just dont get it, and that scares the living hell out of me, be it the idiot texting his way through a red light at 40mph, or the idiot lowering the hammer on his Glock. They don't get it, never will, its not for them, and while I'm sure they excel at a multitude of endeavors, firearms should not be considered in the pool of possibilities for their everyday activity.

[Bawanna]

I don't think swiping off the imaginary safety is all that bad a thing.

Back in our Beretta 92 days they had safety dec0ckers. So you dropped the hammer and if you had to shoot you had to flip the safety up. Totally unnatural and unlike the perfect 1911 design.
When we transitioned to 40's they were dec0cker only, in that the hammer dropped but the decocker went right back into fire mode.

Many of the officers would automatically put the safety back up into the fire mode. We read of instances in other parts of the country where an officer tried to shoot and his gun wouldn't fire. He had forgot to flip the safety up.

So we started training to flip the safety up weather it was kept up or not.
If it was already up, so much the better, if it wasn't it is now.

I think I actually like the idea since I primarily carry a 1911 but occasionally (rarely carry a Glock). No harm in flipping that safety off even if it's not there. Course this is just my feeble opinion.

[CJB]

I don't think its a bad thing either - for the right reasons. It was just a revelation to me that someone might actually do that, and then... it sort of brought 2+2 a little closer together towards 4 in my mind, regarding some AD's.

Ever seen that picture of Oswald getting shot?


Take a look at the police chief. Not an AD, but thats about how I felt experiencing, first hand, a few of them. He's about to crap his pants, and thats exactly how I felt too. All these years I've wondered... what was going thru the mind of the folks who caused the ADs. The "imaginary safety" swiping has me thinking along new threads of possibility.

[Bawanna]

Almost like he's stepping back making an opening for the shot. Wonder if he was on the grassy nole? What the heck is a grassy nole anyhow?

[melissa5]

Almost like he's stepping back making an opening for the shot. Wonder if he was on the grassy nole? What the heck is a grassy nole anyhow?

No, Bawanna! They were on the gassy hole. It swallowed them up and that's why they were never found.