What changes would you make to Kahrs...

[BuckeyeBlast]

Man, I'm also surprised how many don't like the trigger! I mean, that trigger is one of the things that makes a Kahr, a Kahr IMO.

[MW surveyor]

^^^^Buckeye - I'm with you on this ^^^^

If I had wanted a Glock, I would have bought one.

[CJB]

Man, I'm also surprised how many don't like the trigger! I mean, that trigger is one of the things that makes a Kahr, a Kahr IMO.

I dunno... to tell ya the truth, the Sig P250 has a nice trigger too, for a DAO. And it resets itself for 2nd strike capability.

Dunno how useful the 2nd strike really is - pro and con on that. I'd rather have 2nd strike and not use it, than not have it and wish I had.

[Rainman48314]

Man, I'm also surprised how many don't like the trigger! I mean, that trigger is one of the things that makes a Kahr, a Kahr IMO.

Some feel that the job of a trigger is to fire the gun, not to be pressed into service as a safety device. If you think about firing the gun, logically, you think about accuracy and repeatability. A SA does this better and easier than a DAO. My two cents...which probably reflects the fact I did not grow up on revolvers.

[BuckeyeBlast]

Some feel that the job of a trigger is to fire the gun, not to be pressed into service as a safety device. If you think about firing the gun, logically, you think about accuracy and repeatability. A SA does this better and easier than a DAO. My two cents...which probably reflects the fact I did not grow up on revolvers.

I agree w/ you on the safety thing, but I just happen to like the feel of the trigger. I wouldn't want a 'fire button' on a handgun. Not only does it fire the gun, but it's an integral part of the feel of the gun. Hey, if I'm in the minority - then so be it.

[TucsonMTB]

No design changes are needed, IMHO

Ya' know, I like the design. Even the goofy trigger guard is OK, now that I realize the edge of the larger open area, not the inward lump, is what's whacking the heque out of my trigger finger when shooting the PM40. After all, it's a plastic defense pistol, not a 1911.

But, man could those guys building the slides use some counseling. The surface on both my breach faces is dismal and the extractor is an obstacle to proper feeding. Both only needed several sessions of polishing to cure their ills. Kahr's reliance on break in rounds to do that just doesn't seem right, especially when the starting finish is so poor that breaking in the pistol is not sufficient to achieve reliable feeding.

Yeah, I feel a little smug that even though Kahr customer service did not make my PM40 run well with my chosen carry ammo, I was able to by polishing the breach face. But, I didn't need the grief leading to that realization, nor the ineffective trip back to Kahr. At least shipping was on their dime, but they could have saved themselves money and me grief with just a little more attention to detail in that area. Horizontal machine marks in the breach face (PM40) are not a good feature. Even the vertical machine marks in the breach face of the CW40, while not troublesome, certainly make the pistol look cheaper than the $430 dealer sticker price at our local Sportsman's Warehouse.

Whacks side of head . . . yeah, they are not 1911's. I need to get over that.

[ltxi]

Pretty much change nothing.

A shorter trigger would require a safety. I have 1911s for that. The slick revolver like/length pull is a serious plus on the PM9.

[yqtszhj]

Every Kahr should come with a shooting range close by so that we can save money on gas and spend the savings on more ammo.

[gkstemple]

Start a Quality Control Program. Right now I can not recommend Kahr to first-time gun buyers who may well need to defend their lives the very night of the day they bought the pistol. Incompletely machined and out-of-spec parts belong in the reject/recycle bins, not in customer's guns.

I believe a RELIABLE .22 would help build brand loyalty (much as it has in the past for Colt, Ruger, etal).
Shorter trigger reset, but not at the expense of harder trigger pull.
"Dot-the-I" night sight option across all product lines.
Flush-fit magazines that don't project up to 0.35" beyond the bottom of the frame.
Metal inserts where screws are used in polymer frames AND nyloc-style screws used there.

[rwblue01]

If Ruger can copy the Glock trigger safety, and M&P devise their own hinged version, Kahr shouldn't have a problem. I still prefer a 1911 type setup with a thumb safety.

Funny thing is, I can not stand a safety on self defense handgun.

A rifle it is different, a rifle is an offensive weapon.

[TucsonMTB]

Every Kahr should come with a shooting range close by so that we can save money on gas and spend the savings on more ammo.

Mine did! The Pima Pistol Club range is an easy mountain bike ride from our house. In fact, I rode over there to shoot earlier today. Life is good!

[Rainman48314]

Pretty much change nothing.

A shorter trigger would require a safety. I have 1911s for that. The slick revolver like/length pull is a serious plus on the PM9.

But, if you agree that a PM9 is a self defense gun, and that SD implies concealability, the 1911 is not the first or second choice in carry. To me, that means fix the PM9 and make it more 1911 like. Why train with two systems? I eagerly await the availability of the Kimber Solo. Seems like a perfect design.

[jeep45238]

Redesign the fire control mechanism so that there is a short reset between shots.

That honestly was the reason why I sold mine. I ran a front night sight, a plain rear, and never had any problems with dropping rounds out of magazines. Just as, if not more, accurate than my 1911's.

[Jitterbug]

I agree on the QC issues, but as far as being a pocket pistol, I think the PM9 is a tough act to beat, after 7 years with one, I'm sufficiently impressed that I just purchased another...for the wife and if I felt someone had a better design I wouldn't hesitate to try it out, I didn't find one that did.

I'm a Kimber owner, and my 1911 runs fine (at the moment), but I'm not holding my breath on the Solo, nor would I even consider one for at least 2-3 years, not to mention it's a larger gun.

I still use a J frame on occasion, but the PM9 is still #1, for a small, easily concealed pistol in my book. I consider the fire control system a big plus.

[TheTman]

For those that don't like the trigger, why did you buy the Kahr in the first place? The trigger system is what made me decide to go with Kahr for conceal carry. I look at it as basically a DAO revolver in semi form.
If you shorten the trigger pull and make it lighter, then a manual safety would be needed and that kind of defeats the purpose of the gun. It's made to be able to put into action very quickly with no levers to fuss with when needed. In a situation, I don't think the trigger pull is going to be that much of an issue with the adrenilin flowing and all. I'm very happy with it just like it is, although I would like an accessory rail. I'd like to see less problems with the guns, but then again people come here for help, and most don't bother with this site unless they have trouble. I wonder what percentage have to have work done on them? Someone stated less than 1% are returned to the factory, that's not bad. All companies have problem guns. My own experience is one with no problems, and one that had to go back for some major work. I don't mind the break in, as all my semi's require a break in whether the manual states so or not. If there is some polishing on parts or something that could be done to improve reliability the factory should do that. They could put a bevel on the end of the CW45 guide rod, I had them do that when I returned mine to Kahr, and it made it MUCH easier to put the guide rod back into place.