School Shooting Expert Threatened Over Sandy Hook Investigation

[SlowBurn]

Jump on in Mr.Surveyor the waters fine. When I was young and immature I loved a good conspiracy theory. The problem is that they are too easy to expose for what they are. It's far easier for some to believe in a conspiracy theory than to accept the reality of 20 primary school children and four adults could be murdered by someone with mental problems. They will waste their time trying to convince others that the whacked out theory is true rather than face the fact that occasionally very bad things happen to very good people. The holocaust never happened and the concentration camps didn't exist. It was all a conspiracy to besmirch the German people. Give me an f'in break.

Ah to be young, but you forgot 'Paul is Dead.' The only explanation for "He blew his mind out in a car." "Here comes old flat top," barefoot in the Abbey Road album cover photo, etc.

[SlowBurn]

How can 1 kid with problems, kill 20 people Dead without at least 1 of them to survive? No survivors will tell no tales. Why didn't someone try to stop him while he was shooting over 70 times? We want to know!

Dead people rarely survive, from what I understand. On the other hand, there are lots of living survivors; like the special needs assistant here, and the substitute kindergarten teacher she mentions who was slightly wounded. But of course they're, you know, in on it. Connecticut School Shooting Survivor Tells Her Story

[WMac19]

Re: School Shooting Expert Threatened Over Sandy Hook Investigation

I'm truly baffled by adults actually buying into the conspiracy stuff. As for me, I'm regrettably convinced that it happened.

A friend of mine works for the Ct State Police and was on scene. His account of the scene to me was quick, concise and graphic in its brutality. Although he's never told me that he's suffering PTSD, he admitted that he's been seeing a psychiatrist once per week ever since. Tough as nails guy, I worked with him when he was with the NYPD. Hell of cop.

My wife also worked for a company with a presence in the area. She knows parents who lost children.

A conspiracy is only so to those afforded the time and distance from a tragedy. To those who know the truth, they just seem like loons. No offense but there's no sugar coating the perception.

[downtownv]

I'm truly baffled by adults actually buying into the conspiracy stuff. As for me, I'm regrettably convinced that it happened.

A friend of mine works for the Ct State Police and was on scene. His account of the scene to me was quick, concise and graphic in its brutality. Although he's never told me that he's suffering PTSD, he admitted that he's been seeing a psychiatrist once per week ever since. Tough as nails guy, I worked with him when he was with the NYPD. Hell of cop.

My wife also worked for a company with a presence in the area. She knows parents who lost children.

A conspiracy is only so to those afforded the time and distance from a tragedy. To those who know the truth, they just seem like loons. No offense but there's no sugar coating the perception.

I didn't think that the subject was whether or not it Happened, rather that the incident had political ops and the truth was very distorted. After all the AR Ban kicked in VERY fast in CT an The Safe Act by that Jerky-Offy Andy cHomo, got rubber stamped while the story was still smoking.
Kinda like, why the Benghazi survivors have been "persuaded" to not talk about the incident....

[yqtszhj]

^^^ What he said ^^^

[muggsy]

Touche' mon pussycat!
Trained Sharpshooters and Marksman are jealous of that kind of accuracy. and it was 26 in total.

No one tried to stop him because they were terrified and unarmed. Twenty of the victims were defenseless children. You don't need to be very accurate when you target is at point blank range.

[b4uqzme]

I won't comment as to whether or not I buy in to conspiracy theories but what is the motive? Is it just more politicizing of a tragedy? I won't take part in that.

[muggsy]

I've come to believe that people will believe what they want to believe regardless of the evidence. The truth is of little consequence. Grind your axes if you will. I won't participate in any more conspiracy discussions.

[downtownv]

No one tried to stop him because they were terrified and unarmed. Twenty of the victims were defenseless children. You don't need to be very accurate when you target is at point blank range.

You're missing something here Muggsy, honey. That takes a much more specific placement. many have survived head wounds, gut and chest wounds.
These were KILL shots not merely wounding hits.

[SlowBurn]

Muggsy, why are you so suspicious of everyone and everything?

To be suspicious of everyone involved in Sandy Hook including law enforcement, medical examiners, the families of the victims, all the local state and national media, etc, then accuse a guy who merely points to evidence that things are exactly what they are ... of being overly suspicious? That's somewhat upside down.

The entertainment value of this thread has played out for me. I'm done except I'd like to bring up a relevant take-away. I'm kind of new here and I don't know the guy personally, but it's clear that Muggsy has developed an instinctive feel for what's real and what's BS from his life experiences. Sadly from this discussion its apparent that way too many have not.

I suggest its important, likely more important to your life and happiness than even the self protection skills we work on here. If you don't learn to quickly evaluate BS, you're totally at the mercy of all the hucksters, con artists, demagogs, Nigerian emailers etc out there. They're everywhere from the streets to the pulpit, and you better be able to see through them or you're going to be taken in over and over again.

Don't fall for every plausible dude who appeals to the way you want to see things. They'll chew you and your family up, spit you out, and never give it a thought, no matter how many guns you own or how well you shoot.

[muggsy]

The massacre at Sandy Hook should have no bearing on our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Any politician who would attempt to infringe on our constitutional right should be voted out of office for failing to uphold the constitution and his oath of office. People who believe in this conspiracy theory are going to be viewed as members of the lunatic fringe and that does nothing to further our cause. I'm done with this thread. Feel free to carry on without me.

[Bawanna]

[TheTman]

Muggs, you always say spmething like "facts only please" how is it you know all the kids were shot in Point Blank Range, and what do you consider Point Blank? I always thought it was within a couple feet. I can't imagine a bunch of scared grade schoolers not running around screaming, and making the shots a little more difficult. Maybe the teachers told them to hide under desks or something. Hard to say. There are still a lot of things that went on that seem very strange. Like the schoolbus dropping kids off in some strangers driveway. The Interviews with the Medical Examiner where he seemed about 1 slice of bread short of a sandwich, and the laughing father Robbie Parker, getting into "character" to conduct his interview, and that parents were not allowed to see their children's bodies. If that was my child, I'd bust the door down if I had too to say hold my child one last time. I find it hard to believe ALL those parents just said ok, I guess I don't need to see my child. I've watched quite a few videos of the event, and there is an awful lot that just doesn't make sense. And they were awful quick to tear the school down after the shooting. The lack of lawsuits, really points to something not being right. Americans seem to be eager to sue over the most trivial things, yet none were filed over Sandy Hook. Quite a few were filed after Columbine.

Conspiracy theories or not, I bet if we knew half of the stuff that goes on in the CIA, DHS and other Black Budget agencies, we'd be outraged and shocked beyond belief. Like we didn't bring Nazi's that had useful information to work in the US. That came out years ago, but was kept hidden for quite awhile. NASA was helped tremendously by the knowledge obtained from German Scientists, Werner Von Braun being the best known. Many times yesterdays conspiracy theories are todays facts. Take all the alien conspiracy theories, I would not be surprised if the govt. acknowledged they have been in contact for years at some point. I don't mean all this ancient alien contact business, but the stuff that has come up since the Roswell incident, Where newspaper accounts changed almost daily. And one report of an UFO hovering over a missile silo, and causing launch capabilities to go offline. This was all reported to higher ups in the chain of command, and those recordings or documents exist somewhere.
And I don't even believe in Aliens all that much. If there is such a thing, I would be more likely to think they are demonic entities, posing as aliens.
MK-Ultra mind control stories are leaking out all over the place. The stories that come out of that are pretty gruesome. Abused children being taken from parents and tortured into becoming experts in whatever field they are promising in. Search You Tube for MK Ultra mind control and a whole lot of pages come up. And then there was Andrew Brieibart, a big thorn in Obama's side, dying in mysterious circumstances, with agents now coming forward and saying it was a planned event. I don't know what people have to gain by making accusations like on these issues. And then there is the body count of people who had dealings with the Clintons, Vince Foster being one of the most curious, we have no idea what goes on in secret. I certainly don't believe everything that pops up on You Tube, but some of it doesn't seem that far fetched. People may not like Alex Jones, but some of the things he has uncovered that were considered conspiracy theories are now accepted as fact, such as FEMA camps, the many stacks of grave liners stored in various places. And some of it is stuff like exposing govt. road blocks, supposedly searching for illegals, which makes no sense, since they don't deport them when they find them. It's just an excuse to hassle people, look for drugs, and whatever else they can find. I watched a video taken by one guy at one of these stops, and he was refusing to cooperate, or answer any questions, and the cop told him their were signs long before he got to the check point that there was one ahead and he could have turned of before he got to the check point. Yeah right, and get stopped for evading a check point and really get a grilling, with no one around, no witnesses. I'd rather take my chances at the check point with plenty of witnesses to whatever goes on. And the use of these drug sniffing dogs, that can be made to signal a hit, just by a voice command or hand signal. At that point they then have the right to search your vehicle. Seems a little shady to me.
While I don't bother with all the conspiracy theories, some do bear further investigation.
You might want to watch some of the videos made by Barry Cooper on You Tube, who exposes some of the tricks that are used with the dogs, and other shady tactics used by cops, and tells what type of things cops watch for.

[b4uqzme]

[QUOTE=SlowBurn;289660]To be suspicious of everyone involved in Sandy Hook including law enforcement, medical examiners, the families of the victims, all the local state and national media, etc, then accuse a guy who merely points to evidence that things are exactly what they are ... of being overly suspicious? That's somewhat upside down.

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+1000

It is rather entertaining though. Kinda like a bad car wreck on the highway. Can't help but gawk.

[DT Guy]

So the government that couldn't keep who killed Bin Laden secret is keeping HUNDREDS of folks quiet about this ENORMOUS scandal and/or villainy?

We're not good enough for that. Occam's razor, folks.

Larry