Mainstreammedia covers Israeli attack on defenseless Palestinians!

[deadeye]

Not sure of your meaning to this. If you are inclined, please explain. I am sure you have a great point. I am unsure what it exactly is. Sorry, I am a bit challenged at times. Are your referring to the historical writings in the Bible why gentiles should support the Jews/Zion as well as the covenant between G-d and Abraham? Is this the history of which you speak?

Yes that is a part of it. As I recall, once the Jews reclaim their birthright land they will not be driven out again. We are the ones who set up the state of Israel and I feel we are obligated to help protect it as vowed we would. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east and it would be a disaster to let it slip away. The Arab Spring didn't work out to well in spite of the excellent leadership of out present administration. Incidentally, I am not a Jew.

[berettabone]

It goes way beyond any of this...........................it's like the Hatfields and the McCoys..........................these idiots don't even know why they keep fighting, they just do it because it's been going on for ages. It's all they know.

[deadeye]

I think you hit the nail right on the head. It is not going to stop. If it came out with only 2 Arabs left in the world, soon there would only be one.

[muggsy]

many people mistake the Israel/Palestinian conflicts as religious ones--they are about land and resources. Israel has gone a long way since the six day war ect. I am not sure we need to be as supportive as we are. I guess I need more intel on what our relationship really is with Israel. What is so mutually beneficial? Are we fanning the flames against ourselves with our support and how does that ultimately help Israel?

And I guess that you think that we went to far in the Mexican War. Let's give the Mexicans Texas, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Nevada and California back. To the victor goes the spoils.

[Buzzard45]

And I guess that you think that we went to far in the Mexican War. Let's give the Mexicans Texas, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Nevada and California back. To the victor goes the spoils.

Maybe the liberalist, socialist, communist section of California? think i`ll go hide behind my armour plated couch

[getsome]

Benjamin Netanyahu is a great leader and the Jewish people are very lucky to have him now....Israel does what it must to survive living in the middle of radical Muslim states and has had to defend itself since they were declared a nation in 1948....Israel only uses military force after it's been used against them and since the only thing the crazy Muslims understand is force it's what Israel must do in order to live....

What would the United States do if Mexico suddenly started firing missiles into Dallas or Houston? (Thats a bad question because with the Muslim loser we have in office now I'm sure he would want to negotiate then apologize and offer them money but you get what I'm saying)....Israel makes it clear to the Arabs that if they are attacked then they will ALWAYS retaliate with 100 times the force used against them, period....Israelis are a peaceful God loving people and would never have a problem with anybody if they were just left to live in peace but the Palestinians just wont leave them alone so they must be punished into submission and that only works for a short while....If you read and believe the Bible then you know there will never be peace in the middle east until the end of days and if you haven't read it, Israel wins

I love one of Benjamin Netanyahu's statements when he said: If the Arabs would only lay down their weapons there would be peace but if Israel ever lays down our weapons there would be no Israel.......

[knkali]

And I guess that you think that we went to far in the Mexican War. Let's give the Mexicans Texas, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Nevada and California back. To the victor goes the spoils.

Muggs, not even close to remotely answering my question.
What is our relationship with Israel? Do we need each other? If so why? Deadeye's biblical references aside. Keep it political.

[getsome]

I still think Ron has the best idea yet to solve the whole situation.....(Viewer discretion advised, profanity)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5EFYY6P14

[knkali]

I still think Ron has the best idea yet to solve the whole situation.....(Viewer discretion advised, profanity)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5EFYY6P14

dude hits the booze too much...............but I did chuckle here and there.

[deadeye]

Muggs, not even close to remotely answering my question.
What is our relationship with Israel? Do we need each other? If so why? Deadeye's biblical references aside. Keep it political.

I'm not Muggs. I'm sure he can answer for himself. No biblical references. I never argue theology anyway. You seem to be saying we shouldn't back our commitments? We promised to have Israel's back if attacked, many times. Politically Israel is the only democracy in that whole region. Get rid of it the whole middle east will be Muzzy Jihadists. If it is not important to keep promises I can go ahead and become a far left winger. Life would be so much easier. Am I misunderstanding something here?

[knkali]

I'm not Muggs. I'm sure he can answer for himself. No biblical references. I never argue theology anyway. You seem to be saying we shouldn't back our commitments? We promised to have Israel's back if attacked, many times. Politically Israel is the only democracy in that whole region. Get rid of it the whole middle east will be Muzzy Jihadists. If it is not important to keep promises I can go ahead and become a far left winger. Life would be so much easier. Am I misunderstanding something here?

ok lets say our commitment is that straight forward(and I do think honoring them is the right thing), then what is Israel's commitment to the US? What can Israel give us that a couple carries cant? Should we reevaluate our commitment to Israel. Can Israel take care of its own back now? I'll let this thread die off. Heck, I don't know sheet. I go to Muggs for all the hard stuff if Bawanna cant help me............

[wyntrout]

I have been a supporter of Israel and their struggle since I was a child. I grew up reading Leon Uris' books and always admired the spirit and determination of those Jews who DID fight back against the Naz! suppression and Holocaust. here's the "problem" succinctly explained... for most people.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152299543033717

Wynn:israel:

[deadeye]

Egypt controlled Gaza until the 1967 6 day war when Israel took it from Egypt. In 2005 we and that stalwart of freedom and liberty, the UN literally forced Israel out of Gaza and gave it to the Palestinians so they would have a country. Israel was dead against this as Gaza was a buffer zone between them and those nice folks who have vowed to wipe them off the map. Israel said they would use it to launch rockets into Israel from up close and personal. We said if that happened we would protect them. Not to worry!!! Now here we are. I'm sure Ovomit will send Lurch Kerry over there to straighten it all up. We have rapidly become the wuss of the world.

[knkali]

Egypt controlled Gaza until the 1967 6 day war when Israel took it from Egypt. In 2005 we and that stalwart of freedom and liberty, the UN literally forced Israel out of Gaza and gave it to the Palestinians so they would have a country. Israel was dead against this as Gaza was a buffer zone between them and those nice folks who have vowed to wipe them off the map. Israel said they would use it to launch rockets into Israel from up close and personal. We said if that happened we would protect them. Not to worry!!! Now here we are. I'm sure Ovomit will send Lurch Kerry over there to straighten it all up. We have rapidly become the wuss of the world.

I respectfully disagree that we are "the wuss" of the world. That would not reflect well with the brave soldiers fighting today and those before. However, we might be inconsistent and unpredictable due to the present commander in chief, but hardly is the U.S wussy.
I am still trying to understand the unique relationship that the U.S has with Israel. While it seemed very obvious that it was a mutually beneficial relationship at the beginning of Israel's history, I am not so sure it is now nor it needs to be any longer. I am still waiting for the wisdom of this board to give me that "ah ha" moment regarding this question.

Finally, it is safe to say that most of the American Jewry is liberal and supporters of Israel; however, when Obama had tensions with Israel(Netanyahu) and still does, they are surprisingly silent. In fact, the gentiles seems much more vocal about their support of Israel than anyone else.... Why?

[knkali]

I have been a supporter of Israel and their struggle since I was a child. I grew up reading Leon Uris' books and always admired the spirit and determination of those Jews who DID fight back against the Naz! suppression and Holocaust. here's the "problem" succinctly explained... for most people.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152299543033717

Wynn:israel:

Thank you for the link. Informative and succinct.