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  • #31
    That rib looks mighty good. Better be for $12. ($9.00/LB) That was the price after it was smoked right? You can get a whole slab of pork ribs for about that down the road a bit.

    JohnR, I've only heard/read this gun control part a couple of times, but they said they thought that there was some kind of small arms treaty in the thing, which could mean about any type of gun control legislation, from import tariffs or outright bans or bans on ammo imports or exports, to whatever they want to sneak into it. Obama's already tried making lead unobtainable by shutting down the lead smelting plant in MO. to buying up all that ammo to create shortages and every trick he can think of to make ammo hard to get. I wouldn't put it past him to sneak some kind of gun control into this treaty, or too ban lead trade or whatever he might have dreamed up.
    But I can't say for certain whether or not any gun control is actually in the deal, since I've only seen or heard it mentioned a couple of times, both referencing some kind of small arms treaty, and neither had much more info other than it was in the thing. I saw an interview with Mitch McConnell on Fox or CNN, and when asked why the secrecy, he assured the interviewer that once it was ready to be voted on, all the details would be made known. Which I highly doubt, or if they are, it would probably be right before the vote, so no one could contact their congressmen and give any input on it. If they are keeping it so secret now, why would they make it public? Unless it was so big it would take weeks to wade through it, and by that time it would have been voted on. I've heard there are 26-29 chapters of it, and only 5 of them have been made available. The whole thing may not even be written yet.
    If this had something to do with secret weapons, or spy stuff, I could see a reason for the secrecy, but if it is just a trade agreement, why the need for secrecy, unless it's going to really screw over the public, with higher prices, and more taxes. Almost everything I've been able to find out about points to bigger corporate profits, more protection for copyrighted entertainment, and international courts that would somehow be able to override our Supreme Courts rulings. I guess you could take a look at NAFTA, and kind of get an idea of what a watered down version of this treaty might look like.
    Tom
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    • #32
      We the people (the few who still care) can't keep sitting on our lazy butts about crap like this. But the politicians won't listen. That narrows our options.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by JohnR View Post
        When did they legalize pot in Ohio?

        They didn't and they won't.
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        • #34
          Anything that benefits the corporations and so called elite also benefits us peons. A rising tide floats all boats. Bringing the corporations down won't benefit you in the least. Thinking that bringing down the corporations will make you richer is how the liberals think, or don't think. I don't know if this bill is worth a fiddlers tune, but if it isn't it probably won't pass. Remember, deals are made to be broken.
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          • #35
            Ever stop to consider that the news media is trying to discourage us by only reporting bad news? Silly question, I know.

            Sure, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, but...

            A whopping 34 courageous conservative Republicans shocked the political world on Thursday by severely wounding—and nearly killing—Obamatrade on a purely procedural vote.

            http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...al-house-vote/

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            • #36
              Now old Muggsy is not the type of guy to say I told you so, but if he were do you know what he'd say? I told you so. The TPP bill went down in flames by a three to one margin in the House of Representatives. Obama got it stuck in his arse by his own party. Today is the tomorrow that you worried about yesterday and all's well. Oh ye of little faith, when will you learn to trust old Muggsy's judgement? I thought that I had made a mistake once, but I was wrong. I'm making a crow pie and I'm saving a slice for TheTman and JohnR. (I hope that these guys have a sense of humor, Bawanna.)
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              • #37
                Hey, crow tastes like chicken! Add some pesto sauce and garlic bread, mashed potatoes, good stuff!

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                • #38
                  Well Muggs I doubt if was people like you sitting on their arses doing nothing that got this bill defeated. It was due to concerned citizens taking action and badgering their congressmen. How many petitions did you sign? How many times did you contact your congressmen? You can eat your own damn pie. I made the calls and wrote the emails and signed the petitions. What did you do to get it stopped?
                  Tom
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                  • #39
                    This is a stange turn of politics you got the RINO's and other Republicans in Obama's corner, and the Democrats lined up against him. I guess that's another sign that the corporations would have made out like bandits, and the common people would have been screwed. If you believe the crap about Republicans being for the Corporations, and Democrats being for the common people. Which I never really bought into, but who knows? Oh Muggsy does, I forgot.
                    Tom
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                    HY*NDAI is to cars, what Caracal, Hi-Point, and Jennings is to handguns. The cars may or may not run ok, but the corporation SUCKS.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TheTman View Post
                      This is a stange turn of politics you got the RINO's and other Republicans in Obama's corner, and the Democrats lined up against him. I guess that's another sign that the corporations would have made out like bandits, and the common people would have been screwed. If you believe the crap about Republicans being for the Corporations, and Democrats being for the common people. Which I never really bought into, but who knows? Oh Muggsy does, I forgot.
                      JohnR took my kidding the right way. I didn't do a damn thing, because I knew that the trade bill didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of passing. I never sign a petition, because petitions are meaningless. Individual hand written letters are meaningful. I knew how my representative would vote, because he's a conservative.
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                      • #41
                        Muggs, I'm totally sorry that I jumped ugly on you. I was tired and hurting and something else had been frustrating me and I took it out on you.
                        You are a good man Muggs, sometimes I just take your kidding wrong, and sometimes we don't see eye to eye. But that is no reason to jump ugly on you like I did.
                        Tom
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                        HY*NDAI is to cars, what Caracal, Hi-Point, and Jennings is to handguns. The cars may or may not run ok, but the corporation SUCKS.

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                        • #42
                          Is this the global government framework the elites want to shove down our throat?

                          http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/06/no-won...ksnailsfeed%29

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                          • #43
                            Yes, that is exactly what they want to keep hidden from us until after it passes. The house did pass some component of it this week. I'm mystified by the Republicans backing Obama on this, and the Democrats being the hold outs. This is a trade bill for pete's sake, not some secret weapon or something, so why does it have to be shrouded in such secrecy? Because it's gonna screw the average American is my guess.
                            Tom
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                            HY*NDAI is to cars, what Caracal, Hi-Point, and Jennings is to handguns. The cars may or may not run ok, but the corporation SUCKS.

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                            • #44
                              They have to be extorting the people who voted for it. Google "The Finders" to see one example.

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                              • #45
                                I've been running across stories of that nature for quite awhile. Some more horrifying than others. They seem too bizarre to be real, so most just brush them off as conspiracy theories. But is it? People do get arrested for that kind of crap all the time.
                                Tom
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                                HY*NDAI is to cars, what Caracal, Hi-Point, and Jennings is to handguns. The cars may or may not run ok, but the corporation SUCKS.

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