Film: JFK to 9/11, Everything is a Rich Man's Trick.

[TheTman]

If it wasn't for the fact that so many conspiracy theories have turned out to be true, I'd probably agree with you. The Gulf of Tonkin incident being one lie that was used to escalate Viet Nam.
I think it takes a sharper mind to question things, than to be one of the sheeple and just accept as fact whatever they tell you. As far as the JFK assisination, they have autopsy pictures with an entry wound to his neck from the front. You can see on the Zapruder film where he grabs his neck, right before the head shot. And the fatal head shot also appears to have come from the front. World class shooters have not been able to recreate the Lone Gunman shots. I suppose Oswald just got lucky. I wonder why he was taken out by Ruby?

And jeez tv-racin-fan, you are in an elelvator, you don't see the actual steel beams, all you see is the inside of the elevator. The explosives would have been placed on the steel beam. Out of sight.
How many elevators have you been in where you see anything but the inside of the elevator.

[ripley16]

World class shooters have not been able to recreate the Lone Gunman shots.

A perfect example of denial. The shots made by Oswald were not all that spectacular. They have in fact been recreated by many other people. The F.B.I. did it over and over again using live pigs and cadavers. Others have too. The rifle worked just fine. You have disregarded the truth of these and many other facts in order to justify your belief in a conspiracy... a conspiracy that has no evidence what-so-ever. There are facts and then there is speculation and fantasy. Choose your religion.

[getsome]

If you watch the Zapruder film in reverse very closly you will see that Kennedy fired first and Oswald was only firing back in self defense....

Really, that's true I think....well maybe....well I don't really know know for sure....I read it on the internet so it has to be true doesn't it......awwwww forget it

[Longitude Zero]

That sums up my view. People that refuse to see the evidence in front of their face, for whatever reason, will always be susceptible to faddish theory. Do government officials lie... of course, but in the case of certain major events, (Pearl Harbor, JFK, 9/11, UFOs, etc.), the conspiracy theories are nothing short of absurd.

Conspiracy and the desire to have them have become a new religion to a few. They want to believe and they do.

Truth here.

[Longitude Zero]

A perfect example of denial. The shots made by Oswald were not all that spectacular. They have in fact been recreated by many other people. The F.B.I. did it over and over again using live pigs and cadavers. Others have too. The rifle worked just fine. You have disregarded the truth of these and many other facts in order to justify your belief in a conspiracy... a conspiracy that has no evidence what-so-ever. There are facts and then there is speculation and fantasy. Choose your religion.

Absolutely. Those that fall for every conspiracy theory are just the Chicken Littles of society that are the ones who fail to use discernment and are just sucking down the kool aid.

[ripley16]

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe......." Luke 11:21

getsome, In your signature, seen above, the "strong man" refers to Satan you know. Not exactly apropos to 2nd amendment type of protection IMHO.

[Bobshouse]

"Corpseman?" Corpseman! Who looks stupid now, "The Decider" or "The One"?

I don't think you have anything to stand on. You signature is Satan talking to his deciples, corpsemen, asking who looks stupid now, himself (the Decider) or God (The One).

Military men are known as Corpsmen. Dead men are known as corpsemen.

In fact, I rebuke you!!

[getsome]

You are correct sir....I saw it on a t-shirt at a gun show and thought it sounded good but after reading Luke 11:1 through 11:28 I see that you are correct....I really need to read the good book more often and not take any verse out of context....I apologize for my ignorance and will remove the line right away....Thank you for correcting me and I am very sorry for my mistake and I hope it didn't offend anyone on the forum......

[ripley16]

I don't think you have anything to stand on. You signature is Satan talking to his deciples, corpsemen, asking who looks stupid now, himself (the Decider) or God (The One).

Military men are known as Corpsmen. Dead men are known as corpsemen.

In fact, I rebuke you!!

Did you just throw some holy water at me?


My signature refers to a flub made by B.H.O., known as "the one" by his followers, and himself on at least one occasion. He mispronounced Corpsman at a military ceremony. B.H.O. is a moron. And George Bush, known as "the decider" was called stupid by B.O.s devotees. Who looks stupid now? My vote goes to Obama.

Hope that helps your understanding in a small way.

[Bobshouse]

Did you just throw some holy water at me?


My signature refers to a flub made by B.H.O., known as "the one" by his followers, and himself on at least one occasion. He mispronounced Corpsman at a military ceremony. B.H.O. is a moron. And George Bush, known as "the decider" was called stupid by B.O.s devotees. Who looks stupid now? My vote goes to Obama.

Hope that helps your understanding in a small way.

Obama? Your fingers have gotta be burning...and it just shows my initial comment was right....LOL.

Sorry, I need to wash...got any extra holy water?

[tv_racin_fan]

If it wasn't for the fact that so many conspiracy theories have turned out to be true, I'd probably agree with you. The Gulf of Tonkin incident being one lie that was used to escalate Viet Nam.
I think it takes a sharper mind to question things, than to be one of the sheeple and just accept as fact whatever they tell you. As far as the JFK assisination, they have autopsy pictures with an entry wound to his neck from the front. You can see on the Zapruder film where he grabs his neck, right before the head shot. And the fatal head shot also appears to have come from the front. World class shooters have not been able to recreate the Lone Gunman shots. I suppose Oswald just got lucky. I wonder why he was taken out by Ruby?

And jeez tv-racin-fan, you are in an elelvator, you don't see the actual steel beams, all you see is the inside of the elevator. The explosives would have been placed on the steel beam. Out of sight.
How many elevators have you been in where you see anything but the inside of the elevator.

You telling me that when you walk over to the elevator you wouldn't see these boxes placed against the wall every so often down the wall? In the room with all those elevators? You wouldn't find it interesting and wouldn't mention it after the tower collapse?

[Ikeo74]

A elevator has 4 sides you only see 1 of then in the lobby. Unless you usually enter the elevator from the top escape hatch.

[tv_racin_fan]

According to the video in order to make the time frame the explosives are in boxes you simply go to the assigned floor and set the box down next to the "column", then return down stairs for more boxes. That time frame doesn't work if you have to take explosives out of the box go into the elevator shafts and attach the explosives to the columns.

The supposition is that they used explosives only on the core columns. It would bring the buildings down, but if you don't also cut the exterior columns what prevents them from simply splaying out and breaking off in much much larger pieces?

The limitation in building height has to do with elevators needed to move the people around thruout the building. Taller building means more elevators which means less office space. Prior to this design 85 floors was about the limit, more space gained by another floor was lost with another elevator shaft. The Towers used a unique at the time system of sky lobbies and had elevators stacked in the shafts, to solve that issue.

[TheTman]

I'm sure they would have placed them inside the elevator shaft housing, on or next too the steel beams, out of site of people. They probably wend in thru access doors into the elevator shaft. Most buildings with elevators have access doors into the elevator shaft for maintenance. Few people go in then, unless they are working on the elevator. Or possibly they went up thru and escape panel in the roof of the elevator car.

[tv_racin_fan]

I dunno what happened. Not really anyway.

I know that some one that claims it was explosives posted a photo of some columns cut at an angle as proof, the claim was they couldn't have been cut by torch it had to have been thermite. Never mind that the news showed video of workers cutting those exact columns with a torch.

Someone posted some video of the towers collapsing with some poofs of debris and claimed it was proof of explosives. Trouble is it was just a couple of poofs per floor and no way you cut even half of the 47 core columns and get just a couple poofs per floor and he claimed that these poofs were explosives cutting the exterior columns.

They talk about some debris that was spread out a couple hundred feet as if that only could have been done with explosives. Only if explosives were used as they claimed some debris would have been spread at least three times that distance.

Someone claimed that building 7 fell at free fall speed. Trouble was one of the videos posted as proof shows that the building did not collapse at free fall speed unless you ignore the section of penthouse that collapsed several seconds prior to the main collapse.

They claim that evidence of thermite/thermate was found. I did some research to find out how much thermite/thermate would be needed and how you would force either one to cut a column on a horizontal plane. If it was done with either one there would be so much evidence of such that no one could deny it. 59 columns on a face 47 in the core I read it would require 100 pounds of thermite/thermate painted on a ground floor column to cut it.

I didn't know that thermite was used to weld railroad rails until someone posted a link to the University of Phoenix stadium.